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Anybody switched from plaintiff to defense later in their career? If so, which did you prefer? Also, I’ve done plaintiff work my entire career - outside of billable hours, in your experience what are some frustrations/challenges that are unique to the defense side? I’m a 10 year attorney looking at some defense jobs right now and they seem a lot more stable with more upward mobility than anything I’ve experienced at a plaintiff firm. Thanks in advance for any comments offered.

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At least in my area the upward mobility is somewhat difficult to guarantee. Many of the older partners will work into their 70s and the clients will continue to refer cases to them even if they like you. If you're not getting cases referred directly to you then eventually your salary will cap itself. Key is finding a partner that genuinely will help you have cases referred to you. It happened to me, but I had to switch geographic areas for personal family reasons and then you start back in a spot of needing to build relationships with specific adjusters.

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I’ve done Claimant side WC, defense side WC and PI, and in house defense WC. I am currently looking to go back to plaintiff side. Probably med mal. I am terrible at tracking my time in 6 minute increments and terrible at entering it daily. It is such a disruption to your work flow. You also have a lot of bullshit requirements working for insurance companies (in house or def firm). Monthly reports on all your files, new file report, budgets to draft etc. I also find that lots of things I have my staff to do on P side are things my boss wants me to do if I can get away with billing for it. And then On the flip side lots of things you wind up doing are non billable. Ins companies have bill review depts and they cut something off my bill every single month. I know I can make the same six figure base with most the PI firms around me and also have potential for bigger bonuses or commission.

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