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I’ve had adhd my entire life. Had a great upbringing, no trauma, played sports since a young age. Very active childhood consisting of playing outside in nature, soccer practice a few times a week, soccer games on the weekend with my family, going fishing with my dad, etc. My sister had the same experiences as i did and does not show any signs of adhd. It’s fascinating seeing the differences between my sister and I - we are similar in many ways but so different in our study habits, organization, learning, etc.
My mom has adhd and I do as well. It’s genetic. I’m very blessed to have grown up with such a supportive family that allowed me to thrive with adhd, but I still have adhd and struggle with it at work, in my social life, etc. I began taking adderall as an adult and it has helped tremendously with things like keeping my apartment clean, attention to detail at work, listening to instructions, not losing everything, reading, keeping in touch with friends, and organizing my life.
My brain has been “different” from the start of my life, not because of a chaotic upbringing or a lack of an active lifestyle, and I’m sorry that people like Jordan Peterson feel the need to preach otherwise.
Yes, exercise is beneficial for people with ADHD, just as it is for neurotypical people.
Yes, the one-size-fits-all school system is not ideal for people with ADHD, just as it is for neurotypical people.
But none of those things outweigh the factual incorrectness of his conclusion.
Leaving everything else that Jordan Peterson has said aside (much of which is bigoted, trite, and just plain incorrect):
- He is neither a neurologist, psychiatrist, therapist, nor in any way medically qualified to opine on ADHD
- His statement runs counter to decades of established research and study
- There are observable, physical differences in brain structure between ADHD and neurotypical brains
- ADHD medications have a demonstrative positive effect and are rightfully considered a frontline treatment
Uhh “we” speak for yourself dude 😂
Lack of exercise and play as children are certainly contributing/exacerbating factors, but you’re framing it as the sole underlying cause which is easily falsifiable. If you’re interested I’d recommend reading some scientific literature on the subject before fishing for hot takes on fishbowl lol
Jordan Peterson is a problematic figure to reference - he also doesn’t believe in climate change and gender fluidity. Most if not all of what he talks about is to garner clicks and likes on his content since he gave up teaching.
JFC. People who are neurodivergent are born with brains that are wired differently by their genetics. And all the blathering by media personalities isn’t going to change that.
You genius. I’m probably more ADHD than you are, and I can say that with high certainty. Hahahaah this whole time you thought I wasn’t neurodivergent. Honestly, your whole thinking process just is astounding. ALL ADHD PEOPLE MUST FOLLOW ONE OPINION, NO NARRATIVE CAN EVER BE QUESTIONED. YES SIR.
Um no that isn’t how this works.
BCG1 offered some advice in this regard above
Jordan is completely out of his depth when it comes to 90% of things he speaks about.
He should stick to talking about Jungian psychology like he did years ago, before he realized how much money could be made as an internet grifter.
Fantastic may be a bit of a stretch. I would not consider him an expert outside of the scope of Jungian psych (which itself is a lot more mythological and dodgy than modern mainstream psychology).
He was brought in as an "expert witness" psychologist in a trial some years before his fame, and his testimony was so bad the judge ordered it inadmissible. The phrases "dubious", "unreliable", "lacked a sufficient scientific basis", and "unnecessarily complicated " were used.
https://pressprogress.ca/jordan-peterson-was-an-expert-witness-in-a-murder-trial-the-court-called-his-expert-opinions-dubious/
I completely do not buy this born this way narrative. I don’t understand why so many people seem to think that if you’re not born a certain way then it minimises the impact of having a condition, and so they get defensive. Unless there is a specific ADHD gene the scientific literature is lacking in explaining how it’s purely biological. It’s environmental and a lot of the time actually people with ADHD have had emotionally neglectful upbringings alongside a lack of environmental outlets that allow them to thrive. And yes that had an impact on your brain chemistry. Your brain chemistry is shaped by your childhood upbringing. Brain chemistry is not purely inherited.
@A1 you’ve got me right. But I’d disagree on environmental factors not being a contributor. It’s about weighting. Again, instead of just saying “most respected medical researchers” please read the bestselling book on Focus where he talks to the top ADHD experts. Several of the success stories were how ADHDers had their symptoms improved depending on environment. Btw trauma can cause symptoms that appear to be like ADHD. Your brain chemistry can change as a result of say abuse and environment you grow up in. Plenty of academic research to back this up. I just don’t get why everyone here is attacking an alternate hypothesis. It’s hilarious like my symptoms might be worse than all of yours 😂
OP, appreciate that you don’t WANT to have this be the explanation, but it is how people are born. Read the numerous scientific studies on the issue and stop spouting flat-earth theories because you don’t want to believe the science.
My brain has worked this way as far back as I can remember. My 4-year old is showing a lot of the same behaviors and likely has it. My dad told me he thinks he has it (I never told him I was diagnosed as an adult nor has he had testing). It is genetic. People are born this way. You don’t have to believe it but it is as true as 2+2=4.
I think you might be conflating a lot of things here OP. I’m a fan of Jordan Peterson as well but all of the following can be true:
1. ADHD as a condition is predominantly genetic. All of the peer reviewed research shows this and it’s fairly settled science at this point. A lack of play as a kid does not “cause” ADHD and no respectable scientist would argue that it does.
2. I think what Peterson refers to is that there are a lot of kids who grow up addicted to phones and exhibit ADHD-like distractibility symptoms because of it. I would say this is distinctively different from ADHD. There likely are people who are mistakenly diagnosed with ADHD, but I would argue modern tech-induced distractibility (which affects large portions of the population) is distinctively different than ADHD as a condition.
3. This is not to say that environmental factors don’t play any role for those with ADHD. Of course they do. Environmental factors can exacerbate ADHD symptoms and a good structured environment can help mitigate ADHD symptoms. But you don’t need to make stretch inaccurate claims like “ADHD isn’t genetic” to recognize that environmental factors can affect those with ADHD.
Also stop the low-level gaslighting just because you can’t seem to comprehend an alternative view.
In both cases, an influencer with no standing in the medical community is making claims that are in direct contradiction to established fact. And in both cases, a similar demographic hangs on their every word.
OP - are you the real Jordan Peterson?
Would explain the amount and speed of replies !
Not genetic. It’s a trauma response. I’ve read numerous academic articles on it. Nature vs nurture is a millennium old philosophical and not biological debate. You can’t definitely say which is correct tbh. Even if you’re not born with it, what you seem to miss is, it doesn’t negate the validity of the condition. Brain chemistry changes. Several psychiatrists who are ADHD experts have started to suggest it’s environmental factors. The tide is turning and correctly so. Read the recent bestseller Focus - has a chapter on this. Don’t forget I’m in the same boat as you and I know a few children who had behaviours since childhood but it’s heavily impacted by environment.
Nobody here is saying that ADHD being driven by environmental factors would diminish its severity. What we’re saying is that the research shows it’s NOT driven primarily by environmental factors… For every example you can give of a kid you knew who didn’t get enough time outside, I can give you 10 examples of kids who were extremely active and still had lifelong ADHD…