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Dear Fishes, I am switching for the ist time in my life in 8 years.Need guidance on which will be better in terms of wlb,job security and learning wise.offered compensation is nearly same in all 1.Harman(product) 2.Hitachi Vantara 3.Banking captives:-Deutsche,UBS, HSBC Yoe:8 Techstack: java,Microservices,Devops,AWS,Azure Harman Harman Connected Services Hitachi Vantara Deutsche Bank UBS EY Deloitte PwC Tata Consultancy Wipro Capgemini Cognizant HSBC HSBC India
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I work with plenty of people who don't drink and they still attend all those types of events. They order a water/soda/tea/etc. and hang out just the same as everyone else. Sounds like you're looking for an excuse
I'm Mormon and I don't drink, but i still go to the events and just get a Coke or a water. They said, if someone chose not to attend at all for religious reasons, I wouldn't consider that a bad thing. I would respect it actually, and would consider it a nice showing of dedication.
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Try suggesting something else then such as bowling, but either way there will always be someone ordering booze. Even when you go to restaurants.
@OP you can't expect the majority of society to change to fit your rigorous religious practices. If you want to live in a society that adheres to those practice you need to move to the Middle East. If you're going to live on western society you need to learn how to integrate into that society. I'm not saying that you need to attend these events, but you just need to figure out other ways to network with people. Try networking events, having team lunches, inviting someone for a coffee, etc... expecting the entire firm to change networking events to fit the few devout Muslims in the office simply isn't realistic.
Dude you have to remember you are going to exist in the real world. Are you not going to go to happy hour with your client when you're a Partner trying to win new business? Unfortunately the world doesn't work the way that you are trying to live. I have nothing but respect for the people who show up at happy hours and don't drink and hang out. What you guys are suggesting to do doesn't work - not only for the near term reason of work happy hours but also just generally existing in the business world.
If you're worried about missing out on networking, make your own networking events. Ask someone out to lunch.
Dude, relax... Sounds like you're the kind of person that takes everything to an extreme.
OP... our religion allows us to adapt to surroundings. You can always go to these gatherings and not drink. I do that as well. Main thing about religion is not avoiding but sustenance and acceptance. Or else by your inclination, we shouldn't have medicines cause they have less than 0.5% alcohol, all grocery stored cause they have alcohol.
I've gone to places where people get drunk and become designated driver. Hate the smell of alcohol but that increases respect even more, people seeing you are trying to celebrate the differences.
That said you can always ask people for coffee, lunch, breakfasts etc. More ways to network.
Is that a limit you've placed on yourself to show how dedicated you are or is that a real tenant of your faith?
^ yep, and then we have pwc3 trying to use HR to have an event the majority of the office doesn't want to have. Where does that end- are you going to request all the women in the office to wear headscarves? Absolutely respect a person's choice to worship how ever they want, but tolerance and respect is a two way street...
Sorry to get religious, but honestly, that's entirely what this thread is. Religion should free you, not oppress you. The Old Testament (of the Bible) was an entire freakin list of rules and "thou shalt nots" but Jesus freed us from that law and instituted a new law, that we would love our God, and love others as ourselves. The idea of not being drunk is out of love and respect for the health and dignity of others, and freedom from addiction. But not drinking entirely, or even socializing where there is alcohol...there is no freedom or love in that, only judgement and oppression.
And fuck part of being an inclusive workforce is being tolerant of others. If they can't attend because of religious reasons then the firm should be tolerant of that. Making a small accommodation so they can still attend other networking events isn't a big deal.
Although my religion doesn't prohibit being around alcohol, I choose too avoid those situations. I went through the ranks and made it to partner (and quickly), so I don't feel I was disadvantaged by not attending happy hour events. I did have to find other ways to network though.
I'm also Muslim and I've told HR numerous times that they should do events not based around alcohol. Our staff appreciation event was like 5 hours at a bar. They said majority voted for that so there was nothing they could do. But one time they did do bowling and even though there was alcohol, it wasn't the main part of the event so I keep telling them to do things like that but doesn't matter what I say. Either way my teams all know if I'm not there it's because I don't drink, so I don't think it hurts me. I make sure to network around the office on my own time.
Plus you can always pitch ideas like escape the room, bowling, etc activities for your client teams. You'll get points for initiatives. Trust me, I arranged such for the whole practices!
I'm a Muslim and I go to some happy hours with my team. I don't drink so i get a soda or something and we just talk. To each their own belief. They don't impose their beliefs on me and I don't either. I have never drank in my life so I don't have any temptations/addictions. We talk about life, our weekends, plans etc. I do understand your feelings because sometimes i feel the same way. But my team is great and they understand where I come from. We plan some bowling and all inclusive events too. I have been named the DD of my team and I'm perfectly fine with it. I'm a woman btw if that matters.
To me it didn't sound like OP was trying to get the firm to conform to his beliefs (not sure where you got that), but rather looking for advice as to whether he was at a disadvantage by not attending these events and what he can do alternatively to still gain the networking experiences.