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I work with plenty of people who don't drink and they still attend all those types of events. They order a water/soda/tea/etc. and hang out just the same as everyone else. Sounds like you're looking for an excuse
I'm Mormon and I don't drink, but i still go to the events and just get a Coke or a water. They said, if someone chose not to attend at all for religious reasons, I wouldn't consider that a bad thing. I would respect it actually, and would consider it a nice showing of dedication.
Oh jeez... That's not all he said. If you read all his comments you would know that, he very much wants others to conform to his beliefs...
He also said himself, as well as several others of the same faith, that it wasn't required by his faith but that he did it on top of what was required... So no, I don't know all the tenants of their faith, but at least I took the time to read what they had to say, as you clearly did not...
So I didn't make any of this shit up, you though, are full of it.
I'm a Muslim. And in our faith you should not even be in gatherings of alcohol depending on how strictly you adhere to your faith. I am a convert to Islam so I try best to follow as strict as possible. Sometimes as a Muslim, I feel left out and secluded as I don't participate in the happy hours. I really wish firms took other approaches than just drinking to socialize/network.
It's supposed to be about team bonding, not about running up a tab to extract the most from the firm. This isn't compensation so there's no inherent unfairness. Also, only because you brought it up, apparently you do still have the urge to indulge or you would be able to drink a soda and socialize with your peers at a bar? I drink, but I can also go to the bar and not drink, and avoid bad choices whether I drink or not- so who is more free? I'm glad you are happy with your new religion, it's a great part of many people's lives, but real strength needs to come from within.
^ op said he was an alcoholic. Just addicted to something else now
Sounds like OP is is too dedicated to his faith to believe "To each their own belief". OP wants the firm and his coworkers to conform to his beliefs.
I honestly don't think socializing at happy hours does anything for your career. Hard work, producing strong work product, being easy-going and getting along with team members on engagements are the tickets to a long career. I do not believe partners go drinking with clients. they go to lunch (and/or dinner where there might be a glass of wine). OP don't let this get to you. You don't need to worry about missing happy hours. Just make sure you take 5 minutes a day to have an informal "water cooler chat" with your colleagues so they get to know you and connect to you on a personal basis.
Happy hours are only one way of building a social relationship with your coworkers. It's the social relationship that gives you advantages, not necessarily the happy hour itself. People give work to other people that they 1) trust and 2) like. That's human nature. Since you can't connect at these happy hours just find other ways to make those connections.
Lol@ OP. Struck a nerve did I? I hate Fox News BTW...
You want people to stop doing happy hours and do something else because you've restricted yourself from attending. Not because of your faith but because you placed additional restrictions on yourself not required by your faith. 🤔
You very literally want them to conform to your own personal beliefs (not even standards of your religion) by stopping happy hours and do something else instead.
I don't even drink and I certainly don't like happy hours, and I would prefer something else as well. But that's what everyone always wants. And I'm certainly not going to try to force my beliefs on anyone as you seem to want to.
Wow... that's a strict religion. I'm sure they'll understand though
In terms of disadvantages, yes there can be some disadvantages. Obviously people who are integrated into a network will have more opportunities than those that aren't integrated into the network. That's human nature. With that said, just because you can't attend these events doesn't mean you can't network. You can find other ways to network as others have stated. It's going to likely take you going out of your way to seek these networking opportunities rather than just something the firm takes care of.
M1 - how is that a fair request??? They get money because they are repulsed by standing in a room with their peers?
@M1 has been the most logical and helpful in his response. Thank you and I agree. Fellow employees get firm sponsored happy hours which runs 2k tabs when people who don't drink, whether religious reasons or not, get the short end by getting their 7up and Coke expensed. There should be reimbursement for people who choose not to attend these events whether it is religious or not. For everyone who is talking about my faith being to strict or oppressing, it is the exact opposite. I feel freed from the chains of consumerism and sexual bombardment in this society. I don't feel the urge to indulge in any substance to make me feel happy or "loosen up". I am perfectly content the way God created me. What is wrong with that? I simply just want alternative events for non drinkers (whether religious or not) to be firm sponsored. I respect all your opinions and appreciate your insights.
I am Muslim, people I work with know that I don't drink and no one has problem with that. I do go to happy hours as well, just for the sake of networking. Your intentions play a big part when u are in the grey.. if u just intend to go for networking, there is no harm in going. Don't make religion difficult and don't twist it for ur own benefit as well. Good luck bro!
Stay inside and be a hermit
If you're easy to work with and people around you like you, happy hours don't do much.
Deloitte3 - I think socializing at bars with work colleagues is overrated.
M1 are you serious? Happy hours aren't freaking per diems if you don't go you don't get to expense a drink and a snack what do you think this is 😂 "ask HR to grant you a small budget" lol
I don't drink alcohol for reasons of conviction but I go to all the social events anyway. It's still a lot of fun and no one seems to care that I do not partake in the adult beverages.
Maybe read his comments... 🤔
Every single one, he wants others to change their behaviors to better fit his beliefs.
I guess I'm not really here to argue faith, but coming from someone who was raised around 7th day adventists and mormons - you can socialize with others who are drinking and not drink. Can I ask what religion you follow?