Are we just going to be living in a perpetual state of fearing layoffs? Within the last year it seems like there are rumors on a monthly basis about my company planning layoffs and I've heard similar things from others in tech. I know the job market normally ebbs and flows but it feels with the advent of AI this is just forever going to be our lives now. What to do? 😭

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I've transitioned to the post lay off fear of never getting back to work, almost 7 months into unemployment.

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Yes. Welcome to fascism.

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Call it whatever you want, dude. The system isn't listening.

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I've found it easier to not worry. Good state of mind equals good results.

It's easier to turn yourself into the type of person that wouldn't get laid off rather than the person who worries. Protect downside by keeping your work close to you

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I'm talking about systems. Not morals.

I’m always so anxious about getting laid off

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Laid off 4 times in 25 years and what I see for future employment in IT is not looking promising so I said enough is enough working for bad IT management...Took a new career path and happy for it. Best thing you can do is get out and do something else.

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Happens at least twice a year here. Seems like all tech companies.

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I think it requires a bit of a mindset shift. Gone are the days you can assume employment long term, and that any loyalty you provide a company will be rewarded.
So make hay whilst the sun shines, save enough of it to survive any droughts but also ensure that you focus on making yourself as marketable at you can. Both in tech and soft skills.
Especially these days you simply cannot assume your current skillset is sufficient for the long term, so you need to continually work on fine-tuning your skills to ensure they match what the market needs (as much as possible), even if it doesn't match what you're currently working on.

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Take a look at the recent trend in the past few years. It started getting super common for companies to over hire to claim growth. If you worked at a larger company you wouldve been sitting around half the time or doing work way below your capabilities and it wouldve been made to be way more critical than it shouldve been. Teams at the last place I worked were basically just coloring buttons and adding pointless features for the past few years until they could claim that AI was helping them lean out and they could recoup some of that bottom line to keep the stock price up. But just stay positive and think of it this way, you got paid pretty well to do dumb shit and if you were luck enough you even got paid to walk away.

Good to have a job in the first place. I wish AI was taken away from the public. It’s ruining way too much.

Thanks to software engineers. Us SWEs has done this to ourselves.

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My company recently moved me to a "backup team" trying to place me somewhere which feels like the prelude to being let go, likely without severance, I'm searching left right and center for a new job and have no idea what I'm gonna do if I lose mine

Better to find another profession Ai cant replicate overnight

Your best bet is to diversify. Rather than be a subject matter expert in one field, I've trained and become pretty good at a few. A "jack of all trades, master of none".
I started out as an infrastructure engineer, then branched out into networks and a bit of systems engineering. When everyone started moving to cloud I picked up a few AWS and Azure quals and did the AWS AI courses. But saw the way the industry was headed and didnt like it, so decided to take the plunge and train as a project manager. Ive worked on R&D, tech, commercial IT and electrical engineering projects. I recently started a new job at an electrical engineering company, marking my complete move away from IT.

Its hard taking that first step, but it really is better to take control and make the jump before you are pushed.

There’s always a fear of layoff at anytime, long before these days, and especially with at-will organizations. Nothing you can do about it so don’t fret over it, never let them see you sweat. Always have a plan B or be proactive with your career instead of waiting for the axe to fall.

Welcome to SWE and tech. This isn’t anything new, it’s just the current cycle.
2000, 2008, 2017, 2024 and so on.

I really wish they would make it illegal to pay executives in stock options. I think that would greatly limit there frequency. But I don't see that happening if it the Democrats take over the house, senate, and White House.

Yep. And it isn't new, it's just more prevalent. The trick is to keep a paycheck coming, doesn't matter who signs it.

The problem is we either need to be okay with companies under-hiring, where we have to work extra hard, or them over-hiring and we get layoffs.

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