Does killing yourself working really make a difference in layoffs?

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In giant agencies, I doubt it. We’re just numbers on a ledger.

In smaller places where the people holding the purse strings actually know you - maybe.

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Good point. I’m a bit biased towards big agencies because that where I worked.

Got laid off a few years ago, I was the only art director who showed up to help on a pitch. A week later I was gone.

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I disagree. I’ve been in these conversations. The people who have a reputation for caring and busting your butt stay

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Totally agree. As a business owner I’m loyal to people who make “it” happen. It’s not about crazy hours, it’s about people who care about the company, the results and the team. They will work longer hours if it’s needed, you don’t need to put it on them. I will cut my salary to zero but keep these people around.

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My opinion is no. At the end of the day it’s a numbers game.

But there’s this notion that you can make yourself indispensable by working harder. End of the day, working 50 hrs vs 100 hrs / week won’t really matter in the long run. Why kill yourself and your mental health?

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From what I’ve seen, no. It comes down to numbers and politics much more often than timesheets

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I manage a team of 6. If I have to make a tough decision, I’m going to protect the strongest talent that shows the most initiative.

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No. We are all replaceable.

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I agree that while it could affect your reputation if leadership knows you personally, it typically doesn’t seem to make a difference in a larger company setting. So overall I’d say working yourself to death for a corporation is not the most valuable use of your time/energy/mental health.

Something that’s always saved me when lay-offs come around is having some freelance on the side. So I’d say if you really want to — and have the time to — work late nights and weekends, imo it’s a better investment to put time in something like that. That way, if your hard work for that company doesn’t pay off then you still have something to keep you afloat. Hope this helps!

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Not at all. "We're all family" until it's business.

The other factor is how clients bill. Usually they're paying for headcount, not talent.

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Not in a big place. I worked at near killing myself pace for years, agency-side. Didn’t matter when layoffs came.

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Killing your self don’t make difference. Killing it. Different story.

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No.

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Nope 👎

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Killing yourself working in a way that’s productive for the agency, and making sure your boss knows it and values it, does.

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No.

I’m trying to figure this question out as well. Wondering if the extra effort and late nights will make a difference...

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At a holding company...simple answer...no.

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