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This person was not prepared for the response they are getting. Don’t post asking for opinions if you were just seeking validation. It doesn’t matter that the cert wasn’t required for the job, but it definitely helped you get the job whether you believe it or not. That’s kinda how certifications work.
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It’s telling that OP is only responding to the people saying it’s okay and thanking them.
OP, this is not okay, and even independent of your poor integrity, bad news does not get better with time. EY will absolutely fire you for lying about a certification, and this isn’t some silly oversight on your part. You added a credential you don’t possess to your CV.
OP: Hey Internet, I did _____, is that a bad thing?
Random Internet Person 1: yes
OP: no it isn't!
Random Internet Person 2: yes
OP: no it isn't!
Random Internet Person 3: yes
OP: no it isn't!
Random Internet Person 4: you'll be ok
OP: aw, thanks so much RIP4, I appreciate it! 🤗
😂😂
In my opinion, the only way you get out of this with any integrity intact at ALL is if you contact them and say you realized your resume you uploaded stated “CISA” instead of “CISA in progress” and want to clarify that you haven’t passed yet and apologize for the oversight.
Most people at EY have worked very hard for our certifications (CPA, CISA, etc) and aren’t going to take well to someone using a title they haven’t actually earned. As other people said we are literally a business that hunts down fraud… don’t want a fraud working with us.
Not to mention there have been several times since starting that a counselor, engagement manager, or manager has had my resume up during an initial conversation. This will 100% come up later even if it’s not “caught” on a check. I can’t get over how ridiculous this person is.
Chief
Nah they’ll be totally cool with you lying about a certification in order to secure a job. What the —-?!
In all seriousness, I have seen people not only have their offers rescinded for this, but also get fired after starting for it.
Yeah. If you lied for this it suggests you don’t belong at a firm that needs and values ethics… and it is lying (you don’t put something on your CV before you have it) that’s not an oversight.
Honestly. Fess up now that you put it on your CV but need to retake. Better than maybe you make it through the BI but they then find out and fire you.
That would be a show of ethics. It’s also something you need to know here - don’t lie, be ethical. But if you make a mistake - own it and fix it - always much worse to lie or hide.
I just recalled the reason I included that in my CV - I had completed a paid online course and was given a certificate at the end. I just found it. It wasn't a lie after all. This has also been discussed with my recruiter.
People are very quick to judge others. I can bet with my life that over 90% of folks here have deliberately told lies or exaggerated the contents of their CVs.
Anyways, your feedback are all noted. But I hope it's not the case of a kettle calling the pot black.
Cheers.
I feel like folks should know what they’ve studied for. What was the certification? Genuinely curious.
Took and failed is not better than not taking it lmao. In fact, guess you could argue it's worse.
Why would you ever put a certification on your resume that you don’t actually have………… major no-no. Of all the things to lie about on a resume, that’s one the firm can easily discover is a lie.
PwC2, I'm glad he's going to EY and not here.
OP - I understand you feel as though this was an oversight but everyone telling you this is significant is correct. In the future, there are ways to note on your CV that you are sitting for an exam/cert but haven't earned it quite yet. Google some examples like that and your can avoid this in the future.
More concerning is how immature you come off in the comments...
You listed a professional certification on your CV that you don't hold? Is that correct? 🤔
EY8 - Yeah I am really surprised by all of him/her delusional responses 🙏 but still want to wish him/her all the best and hope someday him/her get enlightened in future on what’s right or wrong!
Chief
Why on earth would you have falsely represented your certifications? You don’t have it until you have it, so there’s no legitimate reason to have jumped the gun.
EY doesn’t look kindly on integrity violations, and this is a major one.
Agree. Ey has actually gone on a firing spree last year. If they found out that you cheated on WBLs by providing or getting answers from people, you were fired. If you worked from another state other than the one you either live or Youre based out of, they fired you.
OP - Ey takes integrity extremely seriously. I would just let them know in advance. Also, as soon as you start, they require you enter your license and all on the portal- so they can keep track of whether it’s active.
Chief
By OP’s reasoning, I could lie about having a Nobel on my CV as long as it weren’t a job requirement.
Might as well add the MoH to your CV while you’re at it
Honestly, no one checks your certificates in background check. Your skills is what matters. I have many certifications and I don’t even include all of them. No one ever asked me about any or asked to provide a proof.
Most people lie on their CVs little bit by inflating or tweaking certain aspects relevant to job to secure the interview.
However, things which can be objectively verified like a certificate should not be put if you don’t have (just be aware for future). You should be fine don’t worry.
Well in that case then I’m a MBB and FAANG candidate since I’m actively applying
I think a CISA gets you in trouble if it’s a relevant for the job your applying for. You’ll also have it linger over you. Certifications are an initial litmus test for project staffing so even if it does slip by in a background check your first team might advertise you as a CISA. You should confess. Dishonesty sets you further back than a failed cert.
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It doesn’t matter if you intend to retake the test. You lied. Period. That’s worthy of judgement.
Sorry, but one last comment from me: you keep saying how the certificTion is not a requirement.
But ETHICS is!
EY is an audit firm. Ethics and credibility is what our business is based on!
What you are doing is NOT ok.
Best advise is to inform now and fix the issue.
OP, if you really think this is okay, then you would have no problem sharing more details about the offer. Which team made the offer and what position?
Background check will get him. He does not even understand rhat he should apologize and let EY know. Someone with OPs ethics will ot last.
EY hiring manager here - yup. I would record offer or fire you. Ethics are paramount… and if we catch you violating ethics on one thing it’s highly indicative of other issues and a lack of ethics. Honestly … why do you want to work here if this is your attitude… you will keep running into values that you don’t seem to share.
I think it depends what the certification is… PMP? You might have a problem or an uncomfortable conversation ahead of you. Azure Fundamentals (etc.)? No one will notice.
While I understand that this is an ethics issue and everyone loves being fired up over not “lying”, I am 100% sure that most of the people working have in some form or shape lied and/or over-exaggerated their experiences on their resumes. This person is clearly seeking advice and making fun of them isn’t all that “ethical” either.
To OP: If the certification has something to do with your job/role, I’d email your recruiter about it and honestly, I don’t really think they’d care.
If this certification has absolutely nothing to do with your role, I’d take it out of every single document you have going further (resume, CV, LinkedIn profile etc) and going further, never include something on any document of yours until you actually have it.
Just don’t include the cert in your actual employment application which they’ll ask you to submit for background check processing. If they question why you didn’t include it, then you should be concerned.
You really din’t seem to understand that this is not about the job requirement, but aboit ethics. Lying is not ok even if the lie was off the main topic.
You’re so screwed
In all seriousness, I’d retake the exam before starting work. ASAP.
Yes, I plan to.