How much do in-house attorneys actually work? I know there’s no billable req. and I always thought they were chilling with a cush 9-5/9-3 gig, no nights no weekends. But now I’m not so sure it’s so rainbows and butterflies. Looking at pre-IPO start ups and newly IPOd companies non-FAANG but in tech. My main desire is WLB. Should I try a boutique with scaled down billable hours or in-house with no billable hours? Help!

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It varies tremendously from place to place, but often depends on you. I worked big law hours in house for years until I reset my priorities as the effort was clearly not appreciated. I send more out to outside counsel and some stuff just doesn’t get done. I have occasional long days now, but probably average 45-50 hours a week.

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Yeah i always was skeptical when i heard other people say this, but the ppl i see working crazy hours in house are largely doing it to themselves. I am generally responsive and timely and have never had issues pushing back on client deadlines when i wanted to grab dinner with my family instead of keep working. I think a lot of the art comes in knowing the business enough to know what really is urgent.

Sometimes I don’t have enough work to fill my day. Other times I work 10-11 hour days. Sometimes in the same week.

A few times a year, I’ll be back up in my office after dinner and on weekends to get deals progressed.

Normally though, it’s a 8:30 or 9:00 to 5:30 or 6:00 gig for me (typically leaving early on Friday), but with some emails and an occasional call after dinner.

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I want $150k as a corporate mid level with good work life balance. How hard will this search be? I went to HLS if that matters and have biglaw experience.

A7 I’m trying to find the salary guide for 2022 but not having any luck. Can you share?

I’m at a sports agency and it’s very much 9-6, very little night work (if I’m doing night work it’s usually my choice to clear some stuff out) and little to no weekend work (again sometimes I’ll plug in to move deals along but that’s about it).

Very much depends on what you need to do. I probably do 50h/wk.

From what I’ve seen and heard there won’t be much WLB in tech or pre-IPO. I’m not sure if anyone else has posted this, but in-house in a hospital system is generally very stable 40-ish hrs/week (as long as you aren’t GC). The considerable downside (for me anyway) is that the culture is very traditional…most execs are untouchable and without accountability. Change is slow to non-existent, and “we’ve always done it this way” is the pervasive response to anyone questioning why processes are so archaic. I’m in my late 30’s, and it’s conflicting because there’s endless opportunity for improvement but just no motivation/willingness to advance the culture.

Startups can be a ton of work, and early IPO as well. Can Be a very challenging work environment with big personalities with little management experience. Not sure there is a safe haven in law, except your own very little shop, but that can be a crunch to set up and find your goove and market niche.

9~6 is normal for me, then responding to emails before bed. Maybe a few hours on the weekends to tie up loose ends on things I couldn’t finish during the week. During end of quarter business cycles, work ramps up a lot more and I work nights pretty consistently.

I don’t think it’s really the same, most of my friends who work in big law seem to work longer hours and have more pressure than me. Even though my business unit is booming and there is a lot of workflow to support, I have more flexibility in setting my hours and in my clients’ expectations of responsiveness than what firm practice would demand. I’m working a major deal now so I’m super busy, but once that closes I’ll have lighter hours for the rest of the fiscal quarter; in-house workflow is often cyclical rather than constant.

In-house practice is nice because no billable hours or pressure to develop a book of business. I enjoy the type of work that I do in-house, which is pretty different from the type of work you do in a firm. The majority of my career has been spent in-house and I’m good at my job.

I don’t want to move to big law, but even if I did it’s not that easy - my resume would not be attractive to a big law firm because I did not attend a T14, don’t have prior big law experience, or a book of business. And, moving at this stage in my career would probably set back my career trajectory.

Depends on the industry and the company, honestly. I average about 50 hours a week, but it’s not uncommon for 60-65 hour work weeks. I work for a federal contractor (construction).

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