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I think some of that requires taking personal responsibility for how much you let other people's opinions affect you. You don't need to buy into the toxic productivity mindset, and you can simply elect not to care and do your work when you're paid to.
All of you are too high ranking to even remotely connect with your immediate (straight down) associates and underlings. To GET the job, you have to show and tell HR/hiring manager that you ARE in it to win it, and if you don't, or are not in it to win it, you don't get hired and spend another 6-18 months looking for jobs while all employers exclusively hire those willing to sacrifice boundaries, labor law adherence, and all employee rights to off time, earned days off, and humane treatment.
Trust me. I've been through all the HR rigamarole since COVID. It continues to get worse every month, without fail.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. In my opinion, the key is to show up when it matters.
If your team is under a tight deadline, then yes, do what it takes to get it done and get it done well. Make your efforts visible so that senior leadership and your team know all the extra effort it took to deliver.
That said, no need to be online at 8pm on a random Tuesday for no reason. When you’re not under time constraints, set boundaries and enjoy life. You earned it during the harder times.
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You make a solid point. When the team needs it, I always show up. That's got nothing to do with how it makes me look, purely being a good team player.
But yeah couldn't hurt to be a bit loud about and make it known to leadership
Work the hours your company pays you for. Hustle is for personal growth, not the growth of a company that doesn't care about you outside your usefulness to them.
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I’m not hustling either way haha
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While I agree with your general point about needing work life balance, as a 50+ year old I just want to say … “hustle culture” was a LOT worse in 90s-2000s. It’s actually slightly better now. But still has a ways to go, yes.
The 90’s and 00’s were crazy. The best thing to be is the “red stapler guy.” You get paid and no one notices or pays attention to you.
I think EA1 has a good answer. I would add this:
If I wanted to be seen as a hustler without the hustle I would send an email about once or twice a week to someone above me, and send it in the evening.
You don't need to be logged in long. You could even craft the email on the clock and then send it later. It makes them think you are going over and above without you making a huge effort.
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Bahaha yes, one could always game the system. That was just example though
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While I think it *is* important to be seen as visible, there are lots of ways to do that: join company events like happy hour, town halls, etc.
But even *more* important than being visible is being seen as highly effective and productive. This doesn't always require long hours -- if in your role you have clear KPIs, then crush them, and spend time in your 1:1s with your managers and other senior leaders explaining your contributions. Advocate for yourself whenever you can (without being a narcissistic jerk about it).
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That’s such a simple and elegant idea!
There is a difference between never working a minute later or never coming in early, as opposed to showing you can be flexible when the company needs it. Working some from home, once in awhile. I don't think either side should be taking advantage of the other.
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I had an employee lose out on a promotion because she received feedback from another manager that she was not going 'above and beyond' (aka frequently working late). I pushed her through for a promotion the next cycle but it was really frustrating as her manager. I respect when my team has healthy work/life boundaries and think it sets a good example for the rest of us. But in the corporate world, that is rare. I like to hope it is shifting as more of us burnt-out Millennials take on more leadership roles but we shall see.
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Here’s hoping, or maybe by then, we’ll be too corrupted ourselves
The mid to late 90s brainwashed us.
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The capitalist mantra eh
2026 I asked for a work reduction.. not looking to climb the ladder anymore this year
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And what did they say? How does that work?
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You make a solid point. When the team needs it, I always show up. That’s got nothing to do with how it makes me look, purely being a good team player. But yeah couldn’t hurt to be a bit loud about and make it known to leadership
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I've been around this workplace world for a long time and I've seen the 'trends' come and go. It also varies by employer somewhat. I recently worked for a local company where the excluded folks were the ones working the extra hours but included were on a strict schedule - including coffee breaks and lunch breaks. Looking back on 40+ years of work-life I would say don't waste your precious years over-doing the working hours - put the time into your family, friends, health because nobody will thank you if you get sick from overworking and stress. I've done that - got the scars to prove it. Life is short - it is so very short - pay attention to what matters and breathe.
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I think it depends on the industry/level of responsibility. My job required 24/7 on call for the last 40 years. I had supervisors who earned bonuses to handle issues after hours. But I was always available by phone,texting or email to be consulted. Calls during dinner or at 3 am were just normal.
I was able to delegate to a leadership peer when on vacation, but I was always checking in. I never expected it from anyone else that reported to me. Hourly staff cannot be required to take calls.
You need to know what is expected in the organizational culture when you take the job and set the priorities that work for you.
Then enjoy the silence when you retire.
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When it works for you, it works for you. For my current phase of life, too much and constant/consistent long after-hours work seems impossible to sustain
Depending on the culture of the specific company, this can be true and I think is relatively common. Post pandemic, I think this has softened a bit as people see the need for balance. At some places I’ve worked, more hours can sometimes be seen as you’re not efficient or good at your job and need to work extra to compensate.
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That’s why I don’t ever want to work for Amazon or apple or OpenAI or Tesla.
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People hustling at big tech? I thought they were vesting and resting
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You’re right, visibility is everything. But when there are no KPIs?
That's what wrong with my workplace rn. They keep changing our work schedule so much. We've all been working 12 hour shifts since last October they changed it again last week saying now we are expected to work 72 hours a week with just 1 day a week off. Thats only 4 days a month!. I've had life situations happening lately,plumbing problems, weather, eye dr appointments, other things. But I'm trying to handle all this as much as I can while running on fumes.
And tomorrow I've got an interview for another job so I've gotta let HR know I need a personal day. Its going to look bad but I'm trying to find a real job with a work life balance
Im getting people interested. I had to change and upgrade my resume a few times but its getting results.
I wish things would slow down. 1 employee even asked the owners about changing our schedulesto a more balanced approach. They flat out said no. So that says alot. They're losing money and now the higher ups are coming down and looking at what they're doing here. We don't have people who know what they're doing. I think its going down. And they've invested 95 million into expanding this plant, too.
Something has gotta give.
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I think the current environment we’re in also causes overworking so your name is not on the layoff list.
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Oh a 100%
This is unfortunately nothing new. I had to take a flexible work arrangement over 20 years ago so that I could leave at 5pm to pick my baby up at daycare. You need to set boundaries, and know what your priorities are. If you have a young child, pet, older relatives, or other responsibilities your co workers need to understand that you will not have a choice but to be available. However you also need have you 'village' or some reliable back ups when the inevitable emergency ,traffic, delay or other work related drama cuts into your real life responsibilities. A trusted neighbor to pick up your kids, let out your dog or sibling or neighbor to help your parents are good things to set up in advance, before they are needed. Or realize there is a season in life where you have to step back from work, step off the fast track, and focus a bit at home. I took a 20% pay cut so I could leave every day at 5pm, and have one day at home with my baby. It pushed me off the partner track, but I don't regret it one bit.
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Thanks for sharing! It’s incredibly relatable. Believe it was one of your ex CEOs that said you can’t be a great dad one day, a great consultant one day, but rarely both on the same day