How do you all deal with the guilt of leaving a comany/ team? I have been working at Microsoft for 1 year now, and seriously considering moving. I find the code base to be very legacy and I mostly work on obscure bugs that I spend so much time on, mostly due to navigating this large code base and not having much docs to refer to. Hence I find the job slightly unsatisfying, and that I could learn more elsewhere. However, I love the wlb, the team and company culture. The guilt stops my applying.

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If you like it at Microsoft, maybe just speak with your manager about an internal transfer to another team that you might get more satisfying work from. But as others said, don’t worry about leaving. You shouldn’t feel any guilt about it, if you’re not satisfied with your job, do what is best for you.

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I would only do this if you are completely secure that you can get another job if needed, soon enough, with similar satisfaction level. You don’t know what your employer’s reaction might be. But you could definitely look internally within your company.

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The only advice I can offer is: If you do leave, don’t burn bridges. It sounds like it has some major perks you like, such as WLB and culture. You never know when you may need to go back.

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At the end of the day you need to worry about yourself and what's best for you. Your team was functioning before you got there and they'll continue to function after you leave as well

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Do you think your company feels guilty when they let you go?

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For sure not.

Turn down offers not interviews. There is no reason to have any guilt talking to other companies to see if there is something out there that is a better fit for you. When you find it you will know

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Exactly!

You honestly should periodically be engaging in interviews anyways to keep yourself marketable whether you are looking for a job or not.

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Guilt? Why have guilt? You have one life to spend on yourself, while your company has 10 thousand lives. If you aren’t happy, leave. Find something better and enjoy your life. You’re not doing it for some personal vendetta against the company.

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A lot of software development is tracking down bugs with minimal documentation. You can build the latest and greatest but it all becomes legacy and needs debugging.

Consider whether the grass is greener somewhere else or not.

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I have come to realize all these comments are right. Having loyalty to a place is all in my/our head. I asked for a raise 1.5 years ago to be placed at market value....I'm about 15-25k underpaid. They came back with you need to take on more responsibility. Given I'm a Jr. But been with my position 4+ and the company 6. I have taken on more projects and in my last review they moved the goal post again. It was then I knew I had to go. I took this past few month to start interviewing and the pay for these fully remote jobs were all 30k above what I'm making. Hopefully I can give my 2 weeks soon.

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I wish you the best, be confident in interviews, and don’t get discouraged if they don’t yield anything!

The way I see it, if you were to get hit by a bus today, they would have your position posted before you were in the ground. Likewise, if they had to cut headcount, you would be just a number.

You worry about you, let them worry about themselves. I’d bet that in a year, they’d have forgotten about you.

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Sometimes you just have to take a leap of faith and move on. I felt the same way when I left Accenture, and even though I still feel like the culture was much better on the team I was on, overall I feel more satisfied with the work.

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I also went from Acn to MS and second that

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They wouldn’t think twice about letting you go if it suited them. Loyalty is great—but if you’re not learning, growing, being valued, etc and gaining experience to help you…you’re putting in effort towards something that isn’t paying off. And eventually, you’re going to get bored enough to become resentful and not give the job your best. I stayed way too long and when I finally left it was the best decision. Unless there’s somewhere else within the company you can go that you’d be happier, time to apply outside. Nothing good stays from comfort zones. It sounds cliche, but it’s true!

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Leaving google in <1 yr. No guilt. You need to think what's best for you. It just takes few slipup and employer can let you go. So always think what's best for you. For me personally more money + good quality work is imp (so that I'm always marketable) - everything else comes secondary. People at Google are happy doing the same mundane no challenge work for years and years and then they find it difficult to interview outside.

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😱 well this is a first…

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Understand corporations and big tech can replace you in a day if they really need to.

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If you have good coworkers they want what’s best for you. Go do what is best for you.

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But moving where and doing what exactly? I think you need to find that first before entertaining “guilt” and if it truly is a better offer/place/pay then the “guilt” has no value other than an annoying emotional reaction which will fade instantly. You would have a better chance, building your network and moving internally to something else to retain culture/wlb. Good culture and wlb are tough to find these days. Really tough! Also if you need satisfaction in life, work on your own ideas…why should this solely come from your main job. Obviously if the work is wlb/culture is great you then have more energy for side projects.

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I know most employers make you feel you betray them but if the role is reversed they won’t think a second to dump you. The second thing is if that job is not for you think of others who would benefit by getting your role. Think of your leaving for another job that fits you as making someone else to grow. Don’t curb your ambition from growing.

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Mind you, there’s no registry for people that leave jobs early. If you apply to Microsoft again or even ask for your old job back its very possible you’d get it. Most people say things like “I need to be here for a couple years before I can leave” that’s so not true and just dumb imo

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I'm stuck in a similar boat. I have a tempting offer, but I love my team on the IC level. I have a lot of guilt leaving them behind, even if I'm ready to leave the app and leadership.

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IC - individual contributor, referring to all non-people-manager positions as a category.

Interviewing somewhere is not like cheating. You are not in a relationship with your job. Your job can make you redundant at anytime.
If you like the company, talk to your supervisor about a different role but make sure you have an offer in hand when you walk into that conversation because you never know when they will show you the door.
I am lucky to work at company where role changes to meet your interest and abilities are not only acceptable but encouraged.

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