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Please guide do Joining Cognizant on Contractual role is worthy or not?
Current Situation - due to bgv not completing as one of my company as per CTS is black listed so they changed my hiring from permanent to contractual role.
Please guide as I have no knowledge of contractual roles. 🙏
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I don’t think so when it’s early in their career. Today people are less likely to stay at a job they don’t like. Also it could be moves to increase their salary. A couple of moves early in the career wouldn’t keep me from interviewing them but I’d definitely have a couple of questions about it during the interview process.
No it’s not a red flag. Sometimes opportunity comes and you can’t turn it down. We owe nothing to our firms after we put in our hours, and they owe nothing to us once they pay us.
I think this question is BS. When most companies offer a 1-3% salary increase per year OR you could find another role offering a 10% bump, it’s a no brainer. Job hopping in a tight job market shows strong work ethic and a desire to better yourself, skills wise and financially.
In a word: Ambition. Nothing wrong with that.
One short term move = not an issue. Multiple short term moves = big red flag.
I’d consider short term <3 years. I see tons of resumes for people with, for example, 8 years of experience that are already with their 4th company and looking to go to their 5th. If you have a pattern of leaving every two years, then it’s probably a waste of my time to hire and train you because it takes at least a year for someone to settle in. It’s harder to judge someone earlier in their career based on resume alone because there are plenty of good reasons that someone might leave their first job.
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Young people today are more likely to leave a job they dislike. We’ve learned from our parents and grandparent who showed loyalty and stayed in one or two places and got peanuts in return, sometimes staying in jobs they hated. This idea that people don’t move around is old school thinking in my opinion. Young professionals will jump ship for better pay and better experiences in a heart beat. That being said, do I blame people for wanting “loyal” people, no. It’s a free market, you can hire whomever you want. Just take into consideration that bringing in great talent comes with risk. If they are a great talent, you won’t be the only people trying to higher them, and other firms will offer them more money in the future.
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EY3 are you seriously going to argue that Big4/PA is not overworked and/or underpaid?
Nobody works here anymore. Every office/engagement is understaffed. We are expecting another mass exodus after this busy season as it was a horrible one.
Are you one of them out-of-touch managing partners or are you a gung ho new associate?
We are all replaceable workers as the EY non-layoff layoff showed us. Your thinking is old school and I like it but in today’s times there’s very little recognition for making an impact other than giving you more work with zero compensation. This last year my team worked their tails off with meeting /exceeding expectations while WFH, during a pandemic and juggling a ton of other things. Guess what we got? Nothing. Then we all get the same % increase by level for the 2nd half the year. That sends a message. So while in the 90’s & early 2000’s your thought process would make sense, it’s no longer relevant. So I totally understand why the younger folks jump around.
I am not a hiring manager but speaking as a young person I think it's becoming more and more common for this to be the case due to the fact it's the main way to get a raise. Case-in-point I know a manager at my office who makes about 100k despite having been a manager for several years. They just brought in a new manager (promoted to manager at their old firm 6 months ago) for the same. Does not really incentivize sticking around...
Nope. Perfectly fine if they've got the skills I'm looking for. Talented, ambitious people often don't stay still for too long. They don't have to. If they're bored, unchallenged or worse, mistreated, they can (and should) move on. Sometimes it takes a minute to find just the right fit. Other times, you get lucky the first time. In far too many cases, the actual job is completely different from the posted job description.
Um, I never said it wasn't. 🙄
I have 2 years of audit. I left EY after a year and KPMG after 14-15 months and I just got hired at a smaller PA firm and work in transaction advisory making 6 figures after bonus.
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One question I have for job hoppers is whether they can withstand adversity and persevere. Are they the type of person that when things get challenging, they bail and look for someplace else? Or, do they stay and work through issues and try to make things better?
If you are constantly moving jobs, have you been anywhere long enough to make an impact? Do you just view yourself as an irreplaceable worker bee or do you want more from your career?
Yes, money is good and is why we are all working but give some thought to what you want out of your career long term and how you can establish yourself in a role so that you can drive change.
I’m having a hard time following your logic. A lot of people moving jobs are the opposite of a “worker bee” and instead are constantly evaluating what is the best opportunity for themselves instead of focusing on organizational goals. This can make sense if those moves seem rational in an interview and follow a narrative of seeking out personal professional growth (whether financial or just development opportunities) when a relationship with an organization runs its course or gets stagnant.
It agree this can feel like a red flag if someone appears to simply be using each opportunity to leapfrog to another without making any impact. I also agree to some degree about solving problems, but find this less compelling.
What? Staying any time over a year is long for me.
I think over a year is fine. The average is 4 years so 20 months isn’t bad at all.
Uh no. Maybe it wasn’t the job for them so they left
No. We aren’t boomers - corporate loyalty is dead.
Just one? Not at all. A few? Yeah probably
It’s more common today than it used to be. It also depends what the jobs were. Some jobs like B4, MBB, etc. have high attrition rates and it’s expected people may only be there for a few years. If it’s random job hopping can be something that you ask about as a hiring manager or need explanation for as a candidate.
Agree with EY1 also. Business conditions make a big difference here also. Lots of people jumping between B4 or midsize firms this past year (and I think this will increase in the next 6 mos) as there is some horse trading happening because some firms cut too deep, others won work without staff to support it, others see an opportunity to steal talent and clients with them.
PWC5: Leaving every two years (or less) is the very definition of a job hopper!
In an interview they need a good reason for each change in role / employer - without a good reason its a red flag regardless of length in each role.
To get to interview I'd be considering the overall picture of their CV but trying to give benefit of doubt - eg may have moved locations so job changed.
It's also a red flag for someone to have been in the same role for a long time without progression or details of what they have achieved.
Find out why the person actually left. It’s not always job hopping by choice. I am a “trailing spouse” so I’ve had to move often because of my husband’s employer. There may be other circumstances.
How about you ask them during an interview? If the other qualifications don’t meet your requirements then don’t bother.
It all depends why the candidate moved around. They may have switched companies, switched industries, switched careers, had limited growth opportunities where they were and were moving for career progression. For instance someone who left as an exp associate & entered as a senior at their next company would not raise a flag at all. However, if they continued to move jobs/companies & there was NO job progression - I would want them to explain the movement. But all of that is part of a normal interview process anyways. So it’s really up to the hiring manager and what they prefer. Just cause you leave after 2 years doesn’t mean you’re a job hopper.