I'm 20%, no psych on my disability, and didn't see combat in person.
Went to SERE school, which had a few stressful elements.
Only did flights in combat areas, and wasn't pulling triggers.

I'm seeing psych from VA for depression/bipolar and my family life and marriage are falling apart because I can't handle insubordination from my children.

What can I do or who can I talk to to get it service connected?

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You can lie because it isn’t service connected.

Not every problem we have is uncle Sam’s fault unfortunately

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Go to VA. These people are not psychologists. Speak to expert. Being in military is stressful period. Taking on anxiety then going home and not being able to deal with every day situations are serious issues and may have been brought on through stressors from military and things at home might trigger you. Go speak to expert and beat wishes

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To be clear it's not up to you or anyone else on fb to determine if it's service connected. Schedule an evaluation appointment with the VA and they will have you see a civilian psych. They will be able to determine if it's service connected, and will also make recommendations on the rating.

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This.

Agree. Being a miserable person isn’t because you went to sere school. Keep working with your psych to get through your problems.

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Hate to sound unsympathetic, and I obv don't know your full story, but I agree with Director 1. Not everything has to do with the military or our time spent serving. Life is hard for everyone, we all have to find ways of dealing with hard and stressful things, including "insubordination" from our children (here's a protip for free, maybe don't frame it that way for yourself). Trying to cheat the VA system and everyone else paying taxes isn't going to make you feel better about yourself.

FWIW, I took a bullet to the chest in Iraq and was very clear when I was getting out of the military that I was totally fine and didn't want anything (for any physical or mental issues). Just saying that in case anyone wants to say that I don't know what it's like or something like that. We all have to decide on the person we want to be and how we deal with life's issues.

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P1 - we have different perspectives on this topic, though I still respect that approach nonetheless. Glad to hear you’re doing well, my friend.

Disclaimer: I'm not a behavioral health professional. I'm a vet, a few other things, and you should just take this for whatever it's worth for you.

Here's the thing, a lot of times we don't make the connection because it's not always a single "big bang" event that gives rise to what eventually presents itself as acute symptoms (things that tick the boxes for other diagnoses - depression, anxiety, irritability, mood disturbances, dissociation, etc.). As often as not, it can be either:

1. PTSD /Complex PTSD - A baseline or anchor event, which is where a single "traumatic" experience that isn't dealt with promptly (and likely would have not resulted in long term issues had it been) occurs. That event then sits unaddressed in the background, while other events "pile on". Then at some point, often years later, another event occurs that intersects sufficiently with everything that's built up in such a way that symptoms present with sufficient acuity to cause disruption in our daily lives and get us to seek care. In Complex PTSD, you have all of the above, but usually with more "layers" - you experienced the above pattern multiple, often long term, contexts.

2. A pattern or trend of events in which you and the system or environment you work in are in conflict. And I'm not talking about a bad boss or an annoying co-worker. I'm talking about being unable to square your own closely held personal beliefs with the actions of the organization you are a part of. An example here is commonly found in medical professionals - "this hospital/system/insurance scheme won't let me be the kind of doctor I want to be for my patients". This leads to what is now increasingly being studied as a different kind of etiology, "Moral Injury".

PTSD - The dysfunction is usually fear based. "I can't leave my house because crowds make me anxious because I'm worried about snipers"

Moral Injury - The dysfunction is usually shame based. "I'm constantly anxious because I feel like I didn't do enough to prevent the bad thing from happening before, and I don't want to let it happen again"

Both of these situations can then present as: anxiety, depression, irritability, mood disturbances, "irrational" or "inappropriate" anger (e.g. "I can't handle insubordination from my kids").

This then can be diagnosed *or misdiagnosed* as "Bipolar Depression", "Generalized Anxiety", "Mood Disorder NOS", etc.... Depending on the background and experience of the provider who diagnosed you, they may or may not have gotten it right, or they may not have had a clue what to look for.

Have you discussed your service with a qualified behavioral health professional *experienced with Veterans?*

In your case, you had:

Military Service
Combat Zone Air Missions
A transition out of the military and back to civilian life.

Is the space your head is in now the same as it's always been? Or is this new?

Has something fundamentally changed in how you are acting with your family for no apparent reason?

Not knowing what else is going on, there's not much to go on here, but I'd start by getting enrolled at the local VA, and spinning up a claim. Let the professional C&P examiners do their job. The VA has no problem denying service connection if it isn't there, but conversely, a good C&P examiner may very well *find* a connection you didn't know existed.

If you do go this route, I recommend jumping over to the r/VeteransBenefits subreddit, and using their Wiki to help you navigate the process. There's a solid knowledgebase there that can be a real asset.

Good luck out there.

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Just be honest. Tell them how you feel. And how things affect your life.

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There’s a bit to unpack here, but I’ll do my best:

First off, have your family issues recently become worse due to past triggers from your military service? Sometimes, the symptoms we see are further downstream from the actual cause (& connection isn’t always obvious). Where is this insubordination issue coming from? Is it related to a specific experience you previously had on active duty?

That being said - for service connection, if you’re diagnosed with PTSD & it was triggered from an in-service event (which can be proved) - that can often be connected regardless of “when” the documentation began, even if after service. Otherwise, for most other MH conditions, if you don’t have in-service documentation of “something” - it’s going to be an uphill battle unless you can connect it as a secondary, which is always an option (i.e., you have migraines already connected, which is causing these MH issues).

Focus more on the “why” this is happening & then you can see if this issue has really been aggravated from your service. As others have stated, people also just have family issues for the sake of having family issues - it isn’t always related to our military service.

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Children are not soldiers. You need to lighten the fuck up with your kids. They will never be instantly obedient to your orders. There's a reason only 1% join the military.

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Definitely talk to a psychologist to get to the bottom of everything. From what you said it doesn’t sound like it’s service connected, more like you don’t like where your life is going. But a paragraph doesn’t encapsulate all of your issues.

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Don’t have a good answer on getting it service connected. But hang in there man. Life has its tough times, but things get better. Don’t be too proud to ask for help if you need it. Everyone needs help at some point

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The mental issues I had didn't exist before I went in and came out immediately upon separation.

I agree with SAP here. Ignore D1. Serving in the military imposes a major mental health hurdle on the service member and the family. Also, sometimes it takes getting out to realize these challenges exist.

I find it highly unlikely the military hasn’t contributed in some way directly or indirectly to the issues you are describing.

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Also tend to agree with Director 1 and Attorney 1. I was an AF SERE instructor for 8 years and we worked really hard at making sure students left with more confidence than doubt in handling stressors. If anything I felt we improved their mental state. Never been to war so can’t speak about PTSD there.

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