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Feel your feelings OP, they’re valid.
Rising Star
Because this is 100% racism and discrimination. Repost this but next time swap the races and see how much the comments change. A lot of people want to convince you that racism can’t be against white people but that’s simply not true and it’s not how our laws work. You have a real discrimination case here if what you say is true.
It’s very valid for you to feel like this. But i want to say things are just usually not fair. both of you may have very much deserved this role. you may have even been a better fit. but at the end of the day companies care abt their image and it looks like this is what they prioritized. this may sound controversial but hey maybe there were other instances where you being a white male was to your advantage and helped you get here (just tryna think of the positives here)
Yup it does no favors to minorities broadly to create this impression that everything a URM gets is handed out and “undeserved”.
If you have that in writing that’s discrimination:)
Incorrect, C2. Individuals do things all the time that go against their employer’s stated policies. This is why companies HAVE Ethics teams.
i also want to add that it was indeed not great of them to take back a role that they gave u. messy on their part
I appreciate your insight and good perspective to look from. Helps a lot
Rising Star
Im sorry but it’s very hard to believe this happened - not saying you’re lying but for them to give you an offer then take it back AND tell you that explicit reason is so unprofessional and tacky. They should’ve known that before offering you the role..
I agree. I wish they didn’t tell me. Again I have a job but this is just an offer to hop on a project with them. It didn’t sit right with me at all.
I would sue them.
Discrimination is wrong 100% of the time. This is coming from a black woman.
Chief
Gotta go woke or go home.
Or go broke…
Hi, PoC in consulting here. Obviously I can only speak for myself and not for my community but I'm pissed on your behalf and you're completely valid in feeling this way. Don't get me wrong--I also heavily advocate for diversity in teams, but it's messed up to impose demographical quotas on teams as a way to achieve that--especially AFTER someone has received an offer for the project. If your firm wanted diversity on this project maybe they should have delegated the project to leadership that has the sensibilities to consider all of this BEFORE the project even began. Instead, it sounds like they chose the people, felt like the team didn't look "diverse" enough, and instead imposed a quota for some odd reason (optics for a client? Company policy?). That sounds, like everyone has said, pretty illegal. It also sounds very patronizing/tokenizing because they're just looking for people to fill the characteristics they're looking for instead of who is best fit for the job.
You’re allowed to feel that way.
There’s also a good chance of a past situation you may not have been aware that you did indeed get a seat at the table over a “diverse woman” because they thought you were a better fit.
That’s why DEI exists.
Sucks, yes. Hurts yes. Never feels good to be excluded
Chief
If you have in writing that you were turned down for a member of another racial group, that's open and shut racial discrimination.
Well intentioned racial discrimination is still racial discrimination.
We do need to balance diversity on our teams, but we should not be telling people they’re on / off a team because they’re diverse.
Two options:
1) let it go, take today and Monday off and have yourself an awesome long weekend.
2))Report it to your Ethics and compliance hotline if you’re that upset. They shouldn’t have put that in writing. They can’t retaliate against you if you do this, but they’ll know you reported it when investigation takes place.
Good luck, a better role is going to come soon!
You can’t have a team of people that are all the same gender and ethnicity. We need to have diversity of people, backgrounds, demographics on everything we do. People have unconscious biases - the firm is trying to increase transparency into make up of teams to make sure no group is left out.
Sc 1: is that what you’re upset about?
I was literally told it would be hard for me to make sm bc I’m a straight white male by a female partner. If that’s not racism I’m not sure what is. I’m married to a black woman for God’s sake.
So they explicitly told you in verbatim “we want diverse women on the project”?
D7 sounds like you are pretty replacable then lol
I have a question. Would you feel this same way if the role was offered to a white woman?
I agree but I find that most people assume this diversity woman hire is a woman of color and so therefore it's "reverse discrimination". If the woman was EQUALLY as qualified as him but also helps them to diversify their pool because she is a woman, is it still wrong?
A guy won a $10 million lawsuit against a former employer for discrimination. If you have it in writing, it doesn’t matter if you’re white, black, green, blue or yellow. Racial discrimination is AGAINST THE LAW.
I work with all men and it’s awesome. That team’s loss
Can you also explain how you “earned” role and if they actually committed you to client or just mentioned this project as an option? If you are an analyst candidly you are probably exchangeable /less differentiated and I’ve never seen that move made when it actually would effect delivery or pulling someone significantly weaker on to diversify team.
If you report it you’re fucked. Good luck breaking into that space in the future because everyone will hate you.
Tell the guys this is fucked but you understand and you want to maintain relationships so you get the next role. But say it like a professional.
What have you done to earn this role?
As a WOC, totally understand where you’re coming from and you should say something. Nevertheless, realize we go through the same thing all the time but instead it’s unconscious bias but we realize it and can’t say anything without being told we’re using the “race card”