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Not necessarily, but you may get frozen out from current team which could lay the groundwork for firing. Some grown adults are extremely petty, unfortunately.
These kind of requests hurt the group’s reputation, as if they can’t retain associates. They would do whatever they can to get rid of you first.
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Yes, it’s possible. It depends how worth it is to you. I had someone at my firm who got fired soon after his request was denied. But I personally think it’s worth the risk if you’re unhappy in your current group.
If your current group is slow and another group is busy and feeding you work, that’s usually an easier sell. I’ve seen that done before. But honestly, I’d still ask—if I hated my group, even with the risk of getting fired.
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@OP,
Firm budgets don’t necessarily work that way. Your group hired you based on its own budget, and the group you want to join might not have room for another junior. If that happens—and/or your practice group says no—some partners see little point in keeping someone who wants to switch. My firm actually did that: they froze out the junior, fired them, and brought in a replacement a few months later.
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Yes. Firm vary, but in general practice groups at big firms operate like fiefdoms. People get territorial, and you have to be very careful in navigating firm politics. You actually have to consider the relative power/sway of both your current group and target group. It's not just a skills thing. You can be good/well-regarded but your desired group still might not touch you with a ten foot pole at certain firms because they don't want to step on the toes of partners in the current group if said partners are influential within the firm (like being on the executive committee, for example).
Yes! Even if you ask the firm to keep it confidential, they will discuss with the head of the group or other partners and eventually the higher ups will know that you are looking to leave and then your work will be frozen soon.
Agree it is different firm by firm, group by group, and generally fact-specific, but I’ve seen it work out in several instances (and never seen anyone get fired for making the ask). I think if you’re in a larger firm with established transactional practices that often staffs deals with teams from different offices (or you’re otherwise used to working with different offices and it doesn’t leave you feeling lost at sea as a junior), the likelihood of it working out increases a bit. Let me give you a couple of examples I’ve seen colleagues experience at 2 different firms over past few years which may hopefully give you a little context from the transactional (RE Fin) angle.
Both my old firm (v50s) and current firm (v30s) have independent transactional practices where M&A has its own people and doesn’t siphon RE, corp, or banking attys for M&A deals (I say this bc firms with large M&A groups and smaller transactional groups may call the shots on the work that the more “niche” groups do (including who gets staffed on what) - which can be an X factor if you’re in a niche group and looking to transfer to another, or you’re in M&A and looking to shift to a niche group).
1. At v50s firm, junior associate (2nd year) in a secondary ish market (“A1”) started in corp/banking group and was getting almost no work. A1 reached out to a RE partner for work and ended up helping RE Fin group (in several offices) on a bunch of diligence work for a few months. Everyone liked working with A1, so when A1 asked to transfer to RE Fin group, it made sense and it ended up working out pretty well for a while.
2. At V30s firm, mid-sr assoc (“A2”) started in a big regional market in a more niche area of finance/corp work (I can’t recall which, but it had sufficient overlap with RE Fin). A2 worked with several offices already, and was asked by a partner if A2 would like to move to Re Fin group in a top market (without moving offices). A2, now a senior, made the shift very smoothly and has enjoyed the move.
In both these cases, the assocs had already proved themselves to be useful to the group they were moving to, and in both cases the group they were leaving was not negatively impacted by the move - and the receiving group needed the additional staffing for its deals, so the facts really aligned for all parties. Also helped that both A1 and A2 had a good rapport with the partners and group they were joining and all the groups were flexible and didn’t hog their associates. These are all factors that make the move easier to accomplish.
Good luck, OP!
OP, not sure if you are at a firm that has easy lateral opportunities to other firms but if there is a negative reaction consider moving. It’s your life and if they don’t have space for you to work in a preferred area then the firm has issues of fiefdoms or growth, both of which are bad for you. Would investigate greener pastures.
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This is a firm by firm thing. Some firms balk at the idea of switching once you’re settled in a group and will freeze you out the moment they learn you want out. Others don’t care as much. At my firm, the culture is super collaborative across groups and it’s not uncommon for folks to switch from, say, finance or M&A to funds. You really should discreetly try to sus out whether this is acceptable practice at your firm. Try to figure out if anyone has successfully done it and what their experience was.
Lol. What's the switch
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People on here are weirdly coy about things for no reason. They're always like "I don't want to be identified" but it's stuff that would not get them doxxed. It's so odd.