Related Posts
Conversation Starter
Conversation Starter
Anyone up for cycling tomorrow morning?
Chief
Chief
Rising Star
Me: Today will be a great day
My anxiety:
More Posts
I’m not even sure what to make of this.
Chief
Additional Posts in The Worklife Bowl
Visual Storyteller
Rising Star
Visual Storyteller
😂, I mean definitely not laughing now!
Office chair recs? Looking to upgrade
Pro
What’s everyone doing right now? 🧐
Pro
Conversation Starter
New to Fishbowl?
Download the Fishbowl app to
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
unlock all discussions on Fishbowl.
Why stop here then? Let’s get rid of all government health and food assistance for kids, adults and seniors because it’s all just population control, right? I mean it’s survival of the fittest and if you’re born poor well you have bootstraps to pull yourself up from right? And if you die, that’s okay because you were weak and we are better off without you because most important in this world is being able to earn and keep as much money as possible.
I responded to the example in the post directly before mine and made no assumptions. Agree we should do what we can to mitigate risk but can't bury our face in the sand and pretend we don't accept some risk in our daily lives.
Although it’s absolutely awful to have to think about, I find this to be an interesting moral question. Even Fauci doesn’t seem confident that we’ll have a vaccine any time soon. And as terrible as it is to think about - that when lockdown policies are eventually relaxed, it will almost certainly lead to deaths - the simple truth is that ultimately, a lot of us are just going to have to get COVID and fight it off in order to build immunity.
To be very clear (especially since I live in NYC), I absolutely am not condoning that anything is reopened before health experts say it’s safe. Even then, the elderly and sick should stay quarantined longer. In short, the people protesting right now are idiots.
That said, I think one thing a lot of people are losing sight of is that quarantine was never meant to prevent us all from ever getting the virus - it was only meant to flatten the curve. Meaning, it’s likely almost as many of us catch the virus anyway, as would have without quarantine. The goal was to flatten the curve and get us to a point where hospitals can handle the number of people coming in sick - in the end, many of us will still end up at the hospital later, but hopefully at a rate where hospitals can take care of us appropriately and minimize deaths. The unfortunate truth is that many of those at high risk may end up dying regardless of whether they end up in the hospital now or later, but hopefully by flattening the curve, we minimize those deaths.
The problem in my opinion is that the Trump administration’s horrific handling of the situation has made this issue political. On the one hand, many people seem to think we should just open everything up now, which would be catastrophic. On the other hand, I’m getting the sense that a lot of politicians will want to wait as long as possible to relax quarantine restrictions - no one wants to risk being blamed for deaths after relaxing those rules, even though it’s inevitable there will be more deaths. The correct solution is likely somewhere in between. Clearly, we aren’t yet ready to reopen the economy, and anyone who thinks we are hasn’t been paying attention. Experts even stated this would happen - that progress with containing the virus would, ironically, be viewed as validation for the opinion a lockdown wasn’t needed. At the same time, those who expect quarantine to wipe out the virus are sadly mistaken... the virus will linger and be a threat until we have a vaccine, which could be years away, so we may have to accept that so long as we reach a point where hospitals can handle the volume of patients, coronavirus will be a threat we have to live with.
Well, OP... I’m an athlete with a 48 resting heart rate, no pre-existing conditions... my odds are pretty good.
Are yours? No? Then STFU and try to be a decent human being.
Okay, boomer.
Pro
History.com says that the Spanish flu came to an end as those who were infected developed immunity or died. I worry that this is what we’ll have to come to terms with seeing as how we’re not going to have a vaccine anytime soon. There’s no easy way out of this.
Chief
Yes, that is Darwinism.
I'm with you OP... especially the distinction between an emotional personal response and how this will be viewed in history. I think some people have a hard time separating the two. We can help by cutting down the numbers and managing a bit but we'll be at 50k soon and that's way too many to be thought of differently.
Conversation Starter
Right but willingly walking into potentially deadly scenarios is maladaptive
There’s a reason why most people aren’t going to just “live life” as usual right now
Dwight?
What’s ur ethical decision framework for who gets vents and treatment then? I’m good with your premise, but need to know the world in which I’m living.
I want to live, so for those who aren’t heeding the warnings and science, do they sign DNRs so they don’t take my vent if I need one? Or do I get to jump the line if I can outbid you? When do I get to pull the plug on your mom to save mine? Or does no one get vents/treatment and we let only the “fittest” survive?
Asking for a friend......
Would your sentiment be the same if the disease impacted children instead of the elderly?
No, children are an investment in the future.
Pro
I think creative director 1 (chief) is the same in this entire thread, just a forewarning if you try to engage this person in a discussion you will get absolutely no where, just warning the next person lol
D4, what did I tell you about fishbowling after taking your Ambien!