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97% of hospitalizations are from the non vaxed. You are safer from covid now than many other diseases.
Here comes the complexity: new evidence shows you if you vaxed with mild covid symptoms you can likely still spread the delta variant. Hence the new recommendations from the CDC.
My best advice is to abide by local rules (same as pre-covid) and enjoy your vacation.
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Basically, vaccines generally help both with severity of symptoms if you contract COVID, as well as with transmission. However, the more variants there are, and the more contagious the variant, the less effective the vaccine will be overall. Variants will continue to be at play as long as there is a significant unvaccinated population, because the strain will have longer to mutate before those immune systems kick in, and transmission will be higher.
On a personal level, it really just means that while you're probably going to be okay even if you contract the virus, you should continue being careful regarding social distancing and masking, especially when in areas with high unvaccinated populations. I wouldn't travel anywhere where the vaccine isn't readily available yet.
Honestly I know I’ll get crap for this, but… depends on the country you’re traveling to (and a bit what you’re doing there— e.g. if it’s a hiking/ camping trip?), but I still err on the side of postpone your trip.
Since otherwise healthy, infected vaccinated people can spread Delta, it feels irresponsible to go to a country with low/ poor vaccine access. Even if the country has better access, their numbers could be through the roof. We made the decision to not visit in-laws in the UK this September because we don’t want to be ~those Americans~ who disregard numbers and go to hotspots (from our own hotspot city…). Even had an opportunity to go to South America (almost for free) last month and opted out due to lack of vaccine access in the country/ city. Unknowingly spreading disease to people I care about/ people whose country I’m in for fun despite the ongoing public health crisis feels wrong. Unless you can afford a true quarantine when you go (time and money wise), there’s a risk you’ll spread it to the locals. This is a new wave, and death rates are climbing again. It will undoubtedly be way worse in other countries (already is). Not worth the guilt from my perspective.
….. I am a woman, a person of color, and I was going to visit family. I should really not need to explain this to any of you, and even if someone was traveling for fun internationally, that’s their choice. I posted here to gather advice, not judgement, but I’m not interested in being labeled with white privilege y’all.
I have a friend tested positive this week, he had moderna and never stopped wearing masks and is very fit. He has very mild symptoms and is still doung office work
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D1. Actually the part about his friend being fit is not irrelevant. With old Covid people who were fitter/no pre-existing conditions were often asymptomatic. With Delta, none of the people I know - vaccinated and unvaccinated - have been asymptomatic. Everyone seem to be having symptoms, and in some cases the symptoms linger for weeks. One fully vaccinated (fit) friend got it a month ago, passed it onto his whole family and is still coughing.
Make a risk assessment for your own health based on what the data says - do not just follow the CDC or news without verifying first with data.
Vaccines are still very effective against delta. You still have a risk, as you always had. I’d say taking the trip depends on your risk tolerance. If you’ve got any pre-existing conditions that make you more susceptible to severe covid-related issues, think twice. If not, take the trip and continue to be cautious. I’m back to masking in public and likely will for the foreseeable future, but I wouldn’t say I’m exceedingly more worried about my risk than I was a month ago, because the vaccines are still very effective.
More and more cases of vaccinated people getting COVID and even severe symptoms are showing up. I just came to know in my circle 7 fully vaccinated friends got together last week. They were all vaccinated in Feb. except 1 in May. All are in 30’s. 4 of them have tested positive so far and 1 is very sick. All 4 have symptoms. I think it appears the vaccines are losing effectiveness after some time like 4-6 months or so. That’s why more and more cases are showing up in vaccinated people as the effectiveness is falling. And if it’s true then coming months will be really challenging to contain Covid spread.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/28/pfizers-ceo-says-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-drops-to-84percent-after-six-months.html
It’s a pandemic, don’t travel internationally for leisure.
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If you know you'll be in close contact with someone who hasn't had their vaccine yet, continue to be super careful (just like before vaccines). Otherwise back to almost normal. Put on a mask when required or when asked to, wash your hands etc. But no need to even think twice about covid anymore.
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Depends where you go and how you adhere to the protocols. I have done four international trips since Thanksgiving and have been fine every time. I wear my mask. I carry my own sanitiser in case I’ve touched anything (a handrail, a doorknob). I go for meals at times when it’s quiet (right before closing or right after opening) and almost always eat outdoors. I don’t use metros and busses and use uber instead (and sanitise after touching the door handles). And I stay out of crowds. It’s not foolproof, but I’ve managed to stay healthy.
Keep in mind how flexible you may need to be with how long you want to be in that country for. I know a couple who went overseas for a wedding and ended up getting sick with Covid in that country (after being vaccinated). One of them had a panic attack after realizing her health insurance wasn’t going to cover any medical while there. They had language barriers at the pharmacy and brought home the wrong medication at one point. Their quick trip turned into many weeks because they couldn’t fly sick. Was a bit of a disaster.
Assuming you’re from USA (?), I’d be more concerned about quarantine plans/costs if you test + trying to get back in. It’s highly possible to test + while being vaccinated, very unlikely to be extremely sick or even symptomatic.
Vaccines don’t stop the spread. Vaccines keep people from dying. Apparently this is confusing to many.
It’s good to remember the CDC makes recommendations based on the most conservative (health-wise) approach possible. The CDC also warns against eating runny eggs and rare meat, drinking alcohol, ect. but I’d guess very few people actually follow those guidelines consistently. The Covid vaccines available are very effective at preventing severe symptoms, and if you catch it at all you’ll likely barely notice or experience a small cold. That being said, use common sense and stay home or wear a mask if you feel sick. I would also keep an eye on mask guidelines and other restrictions where you’re going so you’re not caught off guard, but if you’re vaccinated you should be all set to have a nice trip! Nothing wrong with masking inside for extra peace of mind as well, whatever makes you most comfortable. Otherwise, have fun and relax!
To the naysayers, vaccinated travelers who take all required precautions while flying are not the problem. We can’t expect people to give up precious time with their loved ones forever. Everything involves some level of risk; decide what’s important to you and go for it.
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I’ve moved county twice during this pandemic and just made sure to always disinfect my hands and wear a mask (using N95 mask on airplane and airport). And at all hotels and service apartments I stayed at I cleaned some areas (like light switches, door knobs, tables etc) with alcohol just to make sure that it’s clean.
Go ahead and travel but yes, wear your mask. You’re still required to wear it at the airport and on the flight, and depending on the country you may be required to wear it many places once you get there. Even if not required, I do think it’s the safer and more respectful thing to do when visiting another country.