Registered patent attorney who recently ramped back on after family. Hired by a large firm as a patent agent to learn the ropes with a lower billable hour load w/ understanding I’d move to associate role. My feedback has been excellent except that my hours are always low. I’m asking everyone for work. In writing. I’m basically begging for work. How can I make hours if there isn’t work?

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If by "make hours" you mean hit a one-size-fits-all biglaw billable hours quota, get used to the feeling. Patent prosecution is notoriously difficult to bill (big) hours on (for several reasons). It's one of the reasons many biglaw firms try to avoid prosecution

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Are you an attorney but hired as an agent?!

That makes sense. Assuming if you haven’t done this yet, your best bet is to talk to your supervisor partner or the partner who you think has a good connection with you and let the partner know that despite your effort, you still cannot get enough work. The partner should manage from there. If not, then there is not much you can do - maybe there is just not enough work.

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