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It doesn’t work that way. Yes you are an idiot for even considering this. Your recruiter will happily take advantage of your ignorance. There is no 18x program. What does exist is 11B (Bravo) school down in GA. It’s basic training and AIT all in one. You go there first and pass. Congrats, you are a grunt. You are “needs of the army”. Maybe just maybe, you get streamlined. So you go to airborne and don’t mess up your knees (spoiler alert: you will mess up your knees). You will have to wait for selection. Training isn’t going on year round. So you will be assigned to a basic infantry unit to call home while waiting for your TDY/ship date. I cannot stress how unglamorous a life 11 bang bangs have. However, I would rather have a conversation with any one of them than stuck up egotistical military intelligence guys who plan on joining a “3 letter agency” and yet don’t even know how to keep their weapon clean or what a firing pin is for or that they are “better” because they scored higher on the ASVAB and got a non infantry job. Wear the light blue rope proudly.
Let’s say everything goes according to plan. Congrats you passed. Welcome to the world where you are one bad commander away from being ordered to die in country for some stupid reason. And there are plenty of bad commanders.
Life is not a video game. There are people crawling on their bellies in the mud right now who hope to get where you are already. Feel free to take several steps back in your autonomy but understand the US military is terribly organized. Despite this, it is literally the best military on the face of the earth. You are in for a freaking shock of a lifetime. Enjoy cutting grass with scissors, “hurry up and wait”, piss tests at 4AM and general buffoonery despite being considered a “professional”. And at 27 you are definitely the “old man” with the highest PT standards necessary to make 100. I cannot stress enough how disorganized it all is despite what movies, video games and TV portray. But go see for yourself. Remember though, you can’t just quit. You signed a contract and there are definitely more places for you to be deployed to than what is talked about on the news. My guess is the 100% lack of self direction and autonomy will be the biggest culture shock. And boy, don’t tell anyone you had a job in the real world, the inferiority complexes are real.
same here! In my concise time in the military, I enjoyed both sides of the equation. It can be great or absolute tyranny depending on your higher-ups. It is not based "solely" on you, because you have no say in what unit you are assigned to most of the time. Nonetheless, I am glad that I served. It has changed my perspective on life and opened many doors I thought were non-existent.
Just do it. Don’t listen to these haters and these POGs.
Join the National Guard pipeline. If it works, it works. If it doesn’t, you still have a good job. If it’s war you seek, then when the great Indo-China war of Taiwanese oppression happens, you will go. I promise. And the NG will be winning that one as well.
The National Guard has 20th and 19th groups. Walk into the armory and find the recruiter. If you are in DC, the armory for 20th Group is an hour away at Gunpowder Military Reservation and the recruiters name is Ryan. If you make it, you will always have the opportunity for a deployment.
No matter what, the National Guard writ large is an Elite Community - so even if you don’t make it in SF selection, you will find a good home of oper8ors. I have E4s who are in med school right now. I have an E4 that is a manager at Deloitte. I have E7s managing 9 figure business units. And I have soldiers working for every 3 letter agency. It’s not like these dirty active duty units with bad leaders that hate their lives… we all have day jobs and most making >$100k a year. Many in the $500s+. The ones of us that are unmarried have better selections of hot, attractive mating partners. Active Doody has HORRIBLE selection wherever you get stationed. Another thing, ALL Guard members’ spouses are incredibly attractive, and all of our children love us. You will find the opposite in AD.
And as the Active Doody bois who hate The Elite Guard Community chime in, by all metrics, my National Guard infantry unit outperformed all AD bois in MND-North when we were in Iraq in 07. And I’ve never seen more soft shoe profiles than getting food at an off base subway near a large AD Infantry post - looking at you Fort Stewart.
So, OP, join. And follow The Fratty Guard on Instagram for more career advice.
PPML 1 - that’s the BDE I would expect from a fellow elite oper8or. Active Duty SF is the only AD I actually respect. Maybe sometimes I’ll acknowledge a Ranger or two, but only in instances of extreme valor. But I respect AD SF because you, too, come from an elite community - you boiz know how to punch out and go to work. And the wives comments was really about those Regular Army folks with their lack of beautiful flowing hair and beards at least 28 days a month.
Anyway, yeah you can see how upset the RA Active Doody bois get. I would be mad too if clipping grass was my full time job and then some sales guy making $500k a year comes in, outperforms me in every metric, wins my wars for me, and goes home to a beautiful wife and three exact replica sons. Meanwhile his stock vested while he was gone and has >$200k more in the bank.
As opposed to going back to Fort Riley, a divorce, estranged children and no money.
I think it's a commendable goal, but I do agree with others. There is a smarter way to go about challenging yourself and getting into public service, if that is your aim. I don't think you're an idiot. Everyone has different goals in life and some of us need more of a challenge (physically and mentally) than others.
Join the reserves. You can play Soldier / Airmen / Sailor / Marine / Guardian on weekends and during the summer. Plus, you can volunteer for mobilizations / deployments if you get the itch.
I wouldn’t - was active and was NG. Glad I did it but I wouldn’t ever recommend someone doing it at age 27 who’s in a successful career
Also be prepared for what happens if you don’t pass. Physically fit outside of the military is one thing. Being physically fit for SF is another. Breaking you down physically is what they do to really see who you are and how mentally tough you are at your very worst. Whatever you imagine, it’s going to be 1000x worse than you expect
These are excellent points. Working a dead end/menial low paying job > military could upgrade your life. Consulting > military will absolutely be a downgrade in quality of life, and quality of the people you work with.
Also agree half of what you do physically is breaking your body, not training it.
Let all this “you’ll become an 82nd 11b” fuel you. If you want to be SF, go become SF. Plus side of SF (if you make it), you’ll live a rich life doing crazy shit with good people in bad places, possibly being seriously maimed or killed. And you’ll love it. Plus side of consulting, you’ll make some money and pretty badass PowerPoints.
In all seriousness, if you want to do SF find and talk to SF guys. If you’re making a such a drastic life decision you owe it to yourself to thoroughly investigate all options. People get confused when your personal paradigm of ‘success’ doesn’t meet their conventional understanding.
I concur, and I left my SOF career to spend more time at home. My point being, doing SOF work is incredibly fulfilling and irreplaceable, especially relative to “consulting”. Those who have experienced combat, the highs and the lowest lows will have a difficult time replacing those feelings professionally (and likely struggle with PTSD). To leave that environment you have to find something that fills the void and gives you greater fulfillment. It sounds like for both of us, that is our family. If OP is interested in this career path, they owe it to themselves to have conversations friends/family and get guidance from mentors. Not random people in an app…and definitely not recruiters!
I can’t speak on SF, but I enlisted well into my established career leaving an amazing job (and right at the age cut off), and I will honestly say it was hands down the best decision I ever made. Full stop. That is CERTAINLY not everyone’s experience, but I’d say give it a shot if you feel you’re well informed enough to understand the pros and cons, and are doing it for the right reasons. Good luck!
Are you married yet? If yes, no. If no, maybe.
I was in the military for 8 years. Loved it and had a good combat MOS, but, being an engineer is so much better.
I would never trust a recruiter. I would keep in mind the attrition rate for special operations is off the charts high so you might wind up an ordinary grunt or worse. Also.. You're quite old for this... Like it or not.
On the other hand. You won't know unless you try. There's no reason why you can't. But do it because you want it and only because you want it. Nothing else. And if you don't do this, that's okay too. Plenty of other ways to serve.
And whatever you do. Don't be the guy later on who talks about what he was going to do. Good luck.
Only join if you’re going in an as officer. Being 27 and completely switching to the army after being a civilian so long is going to be tough especially when you’re coming in with 18-22 year olds. They talk to you crazy and it’s all about rank so if you think something is wrong or should be done differently, no one cares, do it and shut up.
Want a new career path try the FBI or DEA
It seems to me that you're interested in public service. That's why you're not only interested in the military but also certain 3-letter agencies. But it also seems like you're interested in something else. You want to go special forces. You're only interested in certain 3-letter agencies, presumably the clandestine types. Are you after the clout and prestige that comes with being associated with these things? I'm not attacking you. Be honest with yourself.
Not necessarily the clandestine types, just the thought of some type of service as you say. Good point about being honest with what I want, I'm not really concerned with the clout aspect though.
This is extremely short sighted and not smart - signed, a dude who wasted 5 years before getting into consulting
I'm 37F, great consulting career and going back into the Reserve (after a 10y hiatus after active duty).
Army Civil Affairs currently has Reserve direct commissions (if you have a masters) and regular commissioning routes if you don't. Civil Affairs falls under the "special" umbrella. Come in, see if you like it, then drop packets for the hooah schools.
Navy has a DC program too, I just don't have as much info on it.
Hey, this is an awesome, I didn't even know about it. Don't have my masters, but what would reserve CA look like for someone enlisting?
You could always check out 19th and 20th Group (Airborne). It's kinda' the best of both worlds. Let's you dip your toes in without going all in.
If money isn’t important to you, I am sure you will be very satisfied and find fulfillment. At least initially or short-term. I would def do a short contract if they have it.
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OP has provided zero context of their physical fitness state too lol
I say go for it! If you think you are ready, go get that slice of humble pie before it expires. Only you know what you are capable of, but good luck in whatever you decide.
Trust everyone and don’t do it. Just take a the pay cut and do 3 letter agency.
So, a word of advice on the "three letter agency":
It is a monster of a bureaucracy. You will encounter some of the same work scenarios you would experience in any other large organization.
Of the various directorates, only one does the "cool guy/gal stuff," and the tip of that spear is composed of the top 10% of the military, with a few exceptions.
The various directorates each specialize in support, analysis, IT, or technology matters. More often than not, unless you have been identified as case officer material, you will land in a non-operations role (the more brainy ones tend go to analysis, which is a fairly large organization itself).
Also, understand that you will be subject to the General Schedule (GS) system. If you start out in the operations directorate after having retired as a Special Forces fella (or a SEAL, for example), they will start you at GS 10, Step 9, which is just over $76k/year. But, if you just showed up from a non-specialty career source, it will be likely GS 10, Step 1... just over $60k/year. Of course, there will be an adjustment based on your location.
There is significantly more money thrown in when you go overseas on deployment. But, as a new employee, you are generally not sent overseas for about three years.
When you do get posted abroad the first time, remember that the nicer, more career enhancing locations go to the more senior, more proven folks (as well as those who have mastered the internal politics of the place). For your first forays into "the real world," they send you to places where you shouldn't probably drink the local water. In the end, it's not Tom Clancy stuff. Some really good people there (some real heroes too), and some total idiots as well... like any job. Don't ask me how I know.
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18x was a program designed to recruit smarter than average people into the 11B infantry world. Literally put in place because the washout rate was so high that the infantry would get smart leftovers.
Do not listen to these haters and do not trust your recruiters (but ask for everything and get in writing prior to singing). Do your research in full, understand the commitment, understand if you do not make it SF, can you accept that and the outcome. Remember you need mental fortitude and not just being physically fit. If you think this is just a good idea at the time you are going to have a bad time while enlisted.
Yes, you are an idiot. USAF EOD Craftsman here, having put in ten plus years, served in Operations Desert Shield/Storm and Operations Joint Endeavor/Guard. When you serve in the military, you are left with potentially four choices, two initial choices and two additional contingent choices. Your first two choices are to slack or bust ass. If you slack, you will be punished. If you bust ass, you WILL damage your body (I’m not talking about the pain aspect, I’m talking about tissue that is no longer working properly without at least time to heal, or possibly surgery, if that even works). If you bust ass and damage your body, you are left with the choices of going to sick call (and if you go as much as you need to, you will get punished for malingering) or sucking it up.
Now, here’s the fun part: you bust ass and suck it up, because you are born again hard. THEN, when you get out, and decide to file for VA compensation (it may be right after you get out, or, you may be a stubborn bastard, like I was, and wait over a decade), only to find them saying that there is no record of the claims you are making - DENIED. It took my an additional 11 years to finally get the 100% Total & Permanent rating I should have had from the get go, and that was only taking into account about half the things wrong with me, since they kept denying the rest. And this is for a guy that went in right after high school and was in great shape, but, managed to destroy his body doing range clearance operations, of all things. And you want to throw away what you call a, “great career and an amazing life,” to do a military job that is GUARANTEED to fuck up your body?! Yup, you’re an idiot.
Do it.