Currently a second-year associate at a regional firm. I have become really unhappy with the life-style at a firm and the constant stress of meeting my billable requirements. It was always my goal to go in-house, but I know I likely lack the requisite experience to make a move somewhere that can offer meaningful advancement. Any advice? I know it will likely be that I need to “stick it out” for a few more years, but I am just extremely dissatisfied with the prospect of being at a firm for years.

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My boss worked two years at a firm before coming in-house. I didn’t work at any place glamorous or exciting before coming in house, and even then it was three years. Regardless, if you get an interview, show enthusiasm and a genuine interest of learning the work. Don’t worry about years of service, demonstrate what you can offer and your passion.

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As another poster mentioned, you could probably snag *something* in-house now. Lots of people tend to forget that a large part of the reason to stay at a firm is to pay off loans bc of the higher total cash comp. If you don’t have that problem, it makes it easier going in-house early.

I was in biglaw for 9 years before moving in-house, but there are a # of attorneys that report to me that either started in-house or jumped after 2-3 years. All are fine attorneys and I wouldn’t change a thing about their experience.

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Hah! Fair enough. My experience has been there’s certainly some in-house jobs available for more junior levels, but the “better” (higher pay, more supervisory responsibility) in-house jobs are reserved for those who tough it out in biglaw for several years.

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Thanks! The thing that is most disheartening is that I actually really like the people I work with, and I do enjoy the work, even though I feel like I’m being pigeonholed to a certain extent. It’s just the firm experience I seem to struggle with.

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