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OP - let’s rephrase your question. How long should we wait before reopening “nonessential” businesses? When we have a vaccine? When we have antibodies test and 20%, 50% or more show they have been exposed? When a treatment has been through trials?
Once unemployment reaches 50%? Once we have $50 trillion in US Government debt because they keep handing out money?
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Yeah I think the plan, based on models, was always to have a few waves of open then lockdown. The purpose being to allow hospitals to handle it. So if GA or CO or elsewhere have the capacity, it honestly does make sense to reopen stuff somewhat, as long as they're willing to lock down again in a few weeks or months
Given how contagious the virus is, it seems likely that it will saturate the population before a vaccine comes out. Assuming this is true, it’s only necessary to flatten the curve enough to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed. You’re then best off having the quickest spread that won’t overwhelm hospitals to minimize shutdown related suffering.
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@A2 - I’m with you. People are taking flatten the curve as sit inside and don’t come out until a vaccine comes. That was never the case. It was always understood there would be cases and deaths, the point was to buy time for the health care system.
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Because many companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. About a third of restaurants. Many hospitals are even struggling due to non elective procedures. And countless small businesses without significant retail online.
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PWC1 if a lot of people are unemployed but can't get money for being unemployed, isn't that an issue with the system?
Because a lot of the people impacted can’t afford to live without their incomes 😕
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E3 - Do you really imagine that revenue will be the same as before the pandemic?
Do you imagine that businesses won’t face additional cost equipping their workers with PPE? Do you imagine they won’t risk additional cost if they fail to do so and someone gets sick?
Do you think these businesses won’t have to bear the cost of increased insurance because there is no insurance company that will simple stand by and not increase the cost for increased risk.
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Because not very State is like NYC and
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Again, i agree it might spread quicker in NYC because of things like mass transport, but movie theaters, hair salons, etc bring people within six feet of each other everywhere and not just in NYC. You’ll see deaths spiking in these places that lift restrictions prematurely unless people voluntarily stay home.
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Because $$$$ prevails
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Because not everyone is WFH or qualifies for unemployment
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Federally you can still claim the $600 per week
“What if I just got a job offer that is now rescinded or up in the air due to coronavirus?
Again, you are eligible for the expanded unemployment benefits. Having documentation here is also important if you can get it; for instance, having both your offer and a written statement rescinding or postponing that offer that you can send to your state’s unemployment office can be helpful when filing for unemployment.”
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/3/21199689/how-to-get-coronavirus-unemployment-insurance-furlough
Nurses are getting laid off in the middle of a pandemic by the thousands.
As someone who grew up under the poverty line... I'm not sure this discussion really gets at the long-term health impacts of that.
We need to build herd immunity at least amongst the asymptomatic carriers so they stop posing as much of a risk.
The curve was supposed to flatten... Not slope down; we can't just avoid every other human being until there is a vaccine. We just were trying to buy time for this spread so that hospitals and vents weren't overrun.
We are stealing the health and livilihoods of the working class to protect the health and lives of Meemaw and Pawpaw because this conversation as turned into an either/or scenario instead of allowing innovation to protect both.
We are in a nanny state that doesn't trust grown people to act like adults and make conscious decisions about what level of risk we each personally find acceptable in our lives.
There are ways to protect our vulnerable populations that do not ask for so much from our healthy ones. We should be discussing that so much more than we are now.
Etc.
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Because we've created a system where people can't survive without selling their labor, and now they're not allowed to sell it, but also aren't being adequately compensated for that
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Because they need their hair cuts and Carol wants to go to work just like the doctors and nurses.
NYTimes: ‘Instead of Coronavirus, the Hunger Will Kill Us.’ A Global Food Crisis Looms.
‘Instead of Coronavirus, the Hunger Will Kill Us.’ A Global Food Crisis Looms. https://nyti.ms/3eHELic
Someone I know posted this explanation. Haven’t looked at the numbers but some interesting points
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Because I want the owners to be able to feed their children?
First confirmed deaths from beginning of February now they’re going and testing bodies from end of last year.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/04/22/death-coronavirus-first-california/%3foutputType=amp
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I am in the SE and One Medical is not here, yet.
A one size fits all approach is becoming less appropriate in many states. There are many rural areas that didn’t have many cases to begin with, and may only see a handful of new cases every day per county. While we need more testing, we need to consider the number of new cases relative to the increase in testing. For example, if you ran 10000 tests and had 5000 positive tests, you have a 50% positive rate. As you scale things up to 20000 tests, you could still have 5000 positive tests, but a 25% positive rate. Even though your number of new cases stated the same, the percentage of positive tests has decreased. For large swaths of the country, requiring everyone to stay at home for another month is economic suicide.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8243341/amp/White-House-Hot-Mic-Catches-Joking-Foxs-John-Roberts-Weve-Vaccinated.html