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Hey! Any Google folks know if it’s possible to negotiate fully remote if a contract role is hybrid? Personally, I don’t want to relocate and go to the office on a contract role given the current economy. Plus, I’m assuming contractors are the first to go in layoffs. I just think it’s a fair trade off if I’d be allowed to work fully remote. I’m also trying to have flexibility to manage my Airbnb business in a different country. Same time zone as the home office if I’d travel weeks at a time.
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I would take up to 15% to stay home. I value the flexibility, I have a nanny so I can spend lunch playing with my kids and save all that time commuting so I can get extra sleep. Also hate office politics and being able to focus on tasks is invaluable. I guess I don’t really care to move up at the moment.
I'm baffled that some people can't see the value of working from home. It is absolutely the best thing that has happened in moderm day workforce to help families and kids fare better and for people to take care of themselves, mentally and physically.
If you love the office so much, go to the office but don't impose it on others.
It's not about having too much money. It's more about what people value more. Someone moved to a smaller apartment to be able to get by but retain a wfh environment
Agreed! The RTO mandate is ridiculous! Aside from god awful traffic, especially in DC MD and VA, families need flexibility. Period!
It’s less hours unless you live minutes from your job. For me it would add 3 hours (2 hours of commute plus one hour getting ready). Right now, I wake up 8:45 and get ready to be online at 9am, do chores for lunch, log off at 5pm and go straight to working out. If I were in office, I’d wake up 7am and come home at 6pm at which point I would need to do chores and workout pushing me to 8pm before I get time to do anything else. It’s worth buying my own time back, I have a side hustle as a result and make almost my whole salary from it.
What's the side hustle? Just curious
I absolutely would. Working from home has been the reality I've always wanted and five years ago I'd have never imagined it could be a reality I could see. It's help me a better worker, better husband and better dad and I would take a cut to keep it going. How much is surely something to think about but for now, I would go between 5-7%.
Same as others have stated. Plus there is a real cost outside of just time. The fuel, parking, and depreciation on a vehicle are a hefty percentage just to begin with.
I’d consider a 5 to 10% decrease. Not having to deal with the constant interruptions just because you’re in the office being able to sleep later, not dealing with traffic, not having to buy clothes that are “work appropriate” because we have a business professional dress code. If I still had kids at home that would definitely be a plus more time to help with homework plus just being there when they get home from school. Spending less on eating out.
I'm looking to take a pay cut to not work from home. I want someplace close to home so I don't want to make more by working in the city but I have got to get out of this house.
I would not take a pay-cut (I’m already a remote worker) but you couldn’t pay me double my salary to step foot back in an office
I’d take a 7-10% cut currently
i have a 15 mile drive each way. irs reimbursement rate is 67 cents per mile, so that's $20 per day commuting. i also need to get a dog walker for $25 per day. assume 220 days of work per year, and it costs $9900 to work from the office. taking a 5% pay cut to work from home would put me ahead as long as i'm making < $200k. and that doesn't even include the time i'm getting back.
Are you contract? I was under the impression that regular work commute mileage wasn’t deductible… or are you just quantifying it by using the IRS mileage rate?
(Please forgive if this is a stupid comment … I’ve had a very rough day and brain is frazzled 🤣)
I value working from home but I am not will to take a pay cut to keep it. They are always looking for ways to screw me. They can pay what I’m worth.
right because either way your going to do your job to the best of your ability. so you can just keep paying what your paying and you can add to just for insulting me. If my work quality has went down at all then say so. i know it hasn't ikeep doing me as long as you keep doing you, we have a good relationship going, I pretend to work , you pretend to pay. with a (ha-ha) a little humor
Yep. I usually frame it the opposite way though - as in, “They’d have to pay me a LOT more if they wanted me to be onsite!” but it’s basically the same sentiment. If something happened in this role and they offered the option of either A. Make the same pay but you have to be onsite or hybrid, or B. Take a cut and stay remote… I’d take B.
Absolutely. My commuting costs are about $7500 per year out of my net salary. Gross that up and that’s $11,000 in salary right there that they could cut and I’d break even. Then there are child care costs and after care which is $2100/month. $25,200 per year again net salary. Gross it up that’s about $40,000 in salary. So yeah if I’m 100% home shored I break even with a significant pay cut.
We also should remember that you're talking about a percentage. That means that the amount of money is dependent on the salary. 40% of $50,000 ($20,000) is a far cry from 40% of $200,000 ($80,000). Yes, I know it is still big chunk of what that person is getting however, gas, groceries, etc. all still cost the same for those people.
For the record, I would not give up 40% and I don't know who would. That is a huge amount. I would probably give up some to stay WFH for many reasons; Gas, time, health, sleep, family, wear and tear on my car...
I'd expect a pay raise to work from home. I'm available 12 hours instead 7.5. They're also using my electric, Internet and space for free right now. I'm also saving them these base costs in kind.
Good point
Absolutely, 100% will take less. I was commuting 30 miles one way until covid. I always wanted to work from home but they only offered a split shift to start, so I stayed with going into the office because I couldn't work until 8/9pm. I absolutely loathe driving that far, having to cook, clean and do chores until 9pm or on weekends. Not to mention the wear and tear on my car and gas. Then there's traffic which has been getting worse every year. Not just in the amount of vehicles on the road, but the accidents due to the terrible drivers that either don't care, don't pay attention or can't read English. I was involved in a hit and run in Dec. The car took off. Guarantee they didn't have insurance or were illegal. Let me stay home!
* Save hours a day commuting
* Save hundreds of dollars or more a month in gas, lunch
* Never have to deal with sitting in an "open floor plan" torture chamber smelling disgusting food and listening to 40 peoples' conversations while trying to do work
I would take a 100k+ paycut to stay remote if necessary.
Not to mention all the people with kids in school that bring those germs to work. I haven’t missed a day due to illness in years!
No. My work is valuable whether I am in the office or remote. You didn’t hire me for my working address; you hired me for my knowledge and experience. Nice try, Capitalism.
I have an hour commute going and another hour and a quarter returning per day. Also between train, subway, and parking meters, my yearly expense is $5832 for travel. I can't WFH, but if I could I would definitely accept at least that much less in pay.
I think this is all extremely situation dependent. I would not take that cut, but I’m a 59 year old “hybrid” employee who has always worked at multiple locations. As a Regional in property management if they took away my ability to decide to work from home on a given day, I’d just go to the nearest site office in my portfolio instead and call it good. I don’t have kids at home, I don’t live an hour from the closest office, my car is gonna get a work out because I drive to sites anyway. So no, I’d not take a pay cut to be 100% remote. I can see why others might.
It could be so stressful to go to work every. single. day. I much prefer hybrid jobs.