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Hi all, recently in touch by Spotify recruiter for a Sec Engineer position for remote EU and was told that range was 60-80 out of base salary and equity. Had 2 years of security experience out of my 4 years. Was also told that there is no bonus scheme or no sign in bonus 😕 Not sure how I feel about this tbh.
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You’re being childish by not attending meetings and roundtables where PGL is there. This isn’t high school. PGL knows exactly what you’re doing and so you’re making that relationship even worse than it is.
Unless your group is busy, I would leave since you may be first on the chopping block if they have to downsize.
I’m not trying to be rude. If you can’t even take being in the same room as them, you need to go.
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OP, after reading what you just wrote, I think you’re the cause of the drama/toxicity.
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Push comes to shove the PGL will win over an associate 10000000% of the time. It doesn’t matter if you’re entirely right. If you can’t get along with him/her to that level, I’d look elsewhere.
Thanks for the advice, appreciate it.
If you want to advance in the group, you need the PGL behind you. I would lateral to cut your losses.
Yeah damn:/ thanks for the advice
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If pgl “asked to apologize,” and you’re STILL avoiding then and calling them “whiny,” you sound a bit ridiculous. Of course I don’t know what happened; maybe it was truly truly egregious.
But yes, you need support or at least the ability to have a productive relationship with group leadership to promote/ have a solid future at the firm.
I’d leave. I’d also consider whether you’re part of the toxicity.
I might be dramatic or maybe it's warranted. At the same time there's reasons why all the other partners in the group like me and other pgls like me. Whatever it is, there's objective bad and good rn and I see my path forward.
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It's funny, I had this conversation with my wife the other day after my PGL called me on a whim to jump down my throat about something randomly. The guy is a loose cannon, and may have a legit substance issue. But he is also an established PGL at a top firm, and isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
It's crazy, most of us have this perception of how sterile life at the top of the food chain / management will be. We all just assume we work in a meritocracy where we will be evaluated exclusively on our work product and professional performance. However, the most shocking thing to me now that I've worked for a couple of these organizations is, how entirely subjective, political, and even toxic management is at these organizations.
Two options: Make up and move on with PGL or Lateral.
OP. You sound a tad bit immature. You need to learn how to live with this political nature. Sure you can lateral to cut off this PGL. There is no guarantee you won’t meet another PGL like that at other workplaces. As A6 said, your career prospect at this job relies heavily on network, not pure meritocracy. You don’t have to be everyone’s bestie, but learn how to establish collegial relationship that even a bad pgl/partner can’t say shiz / point flaws about you. That’s also an important skill for success.
Okay I'll just respond here. I appreciate yours and everyone's critical feedback. I am self aware enough to recognize that I've dealt by avoiding situations and then privately stewing when something triggering happens, which is obviously not mature. I'm very aware of that but haven't cared for various reasons, which is a separate issue. And I love my work and all my other colleagues and firm as a whole and have hung on despite my issues with pgl. I should move on for myself and to do good by my colleagues bc my issues probably have or will negatively affect someone who's looked out for me. I can certainly establish good relationships and next time around, if there is one, it's just not going to be like this.
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They’re the leader of your practice group. You are not going to succeed long term at the firm without their support. If you can’t suck it up and make up with them (sounds like way past repair already), time to move on.
Maybe they’re incredibly toxic but be warned that there’s politics everywhere and you’re going to have to make nice with some folks you don’t particularly care for to long term succeed in biglaw.
I would say that my PGL is not the best. As a junior, I got yelled at a couple of times after I was given assignments with no direction and ridiculous deadlines. Other partners have told me that they know our PGL is a very difficult person to work with. However, I always attend our meetings, suck it up and am still trying to make this relationship work. You can’t advance without the support of your PGL. If you really can’t even be in the same room with him/her, I think it’s time to move on.