One of my closest friends needed help launching his brand. I helped them for free. He casually reaches out every week to discuss stuff in detail. Hasn’t done it much recently, but now he wants my partner to provide their POV on their area of expertise. My partner and I are currently looking for jobs, and I feel it’s a bit insensitive of him not to offer some compensation. I’d ask for it but im a bit confused if doing so would make me a shitty friend. Isn’t that what friends are for?

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No, friends are not for exploitation. Real friends pay the full price, that’s when you know who you should keep around. If I employ my friends I compensate them for the professionals they are and they do the same because a part of friendship is wanting your friends to succeed.

You don’t go to a dentist and expect him to do anything for free because you’re friends.

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There's an unspoken assumption among some non-creatives that it's not really labour, that you'd be happy to do it for free. So why pay much, if anything for it? After all, it's just some colours and typing.

How many will pull the free consultation stunt, or 'pay' in exposure, or give the job to their nephew with Photoshop when quoted?

Lots. But it's not out of malice, most think we're fine with it. We work in t-shirts, it's cool.

I think it's on us to push back. Tell your friend you're hustling for your life right now, things are tight, you would - but you need the money and have to focus on other things, like money.

Hint hint.

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Tell the truth, keep it simple. Educate them, they will appreciate not being an a hole. They just don’t know.

“Hey, I’m really glad our work has been helpful and I look forward to see your brand grow!
Unfortunately right now we don’t have the bandwidth to provide additional support. Happy to give you our hourly rate and see what works within our schedule - but if you’re looking for more affordable talent, Upwork is a really good resource. You can search by country too and check out peoples reviews.” (Give them a solution)

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Thanks. Very helpful

There’s a saying that goes something like this: don’t ask me to do for free the only thing that I can charge.

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The only friends one has are the ones from childhood. The rest are wankers. Mostly.

Ok?

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