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When I was studying for the exams I had that problem. I found that (in May-Oct) if you just stop working at 5:00 or 5:30 (your office's close of business) and say "I've got to study now. CPA exam in two weeks." And you proceed to study right in front of their face for 5 hours, night after night, they will back off.
Passing the exam is a personal achievement. Why would the firm pay you to study for the exam? Plenty of people took it while working and found a way to get it done. Why should they give you special treatment?
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Yeah I meant working til 10 pm every night and working on Sunday's doesn't leave much time for study all I want to do is sleep.
Millenials and their unrealistic expectations. Having a CPA is a requirement for the job, same as a college education. Should the firms start paying you to go to college also? If you can't handle working and studying, then take a year long sabbatical to pass the exam. Since when is it the employers responsibility to pay you to meet job pre-requisites?
@Senior Associate - Assurance 1 - you sound like the type of person I would never want to work with/for. It's all about the tone at the top and the person pushing people to go study the most is the partner/senior manager. I guess it depends on your individual team and how down to earth people are. Everyone knows a CPA is inherently more valuable to an audit team just from a billing perspective. Also, I really hate the people who generalize all millennials. I know a lot of people who worked their way through college and had to support their families since it was the beginning of the recession and their parents got laid off. Not everyone had the opportunity to spend and pass all parts before they started due to various personal situations.
OP, by "support" are you alluding to paying you to study and have all the people who took the time to study and pass before starting do the thing that you were actually hired to do? Cuz if so, then no, they shouldn't be more supportive.
I don't think that's what OP meant. Personally, I've found that some teams are ignorant about studying. They'll ask you at 7 pm to finish something by the morning knowing you need to study and the task isn't short, or will ask you to work weekends when they know that's your study time. I think they need to understand that they are taking away from study time which is a bigger issue than just taking away from personal time
^ what you're not getting is the job comes first. This is a job and a business, not some hobby. So if an urgent task comes in, you're saying that the team should not ask you to do your job, because you need to study to meet a pre-requisite for doing your job? Look, if it's such a big deal, then take a sabbatical. Firms will definitely let you take an unpaid leave of absence. You're just being entitled and want the firm to pay you for studying. Sorry to break it to you, but studying is not your job...
@PwC2 welcome to the real world. That's how shit works. Bosses assign staff level work. Seniors and Managers are not going to do staff level work, they delegate down. Millenials have some great qualities, but many seem utterly unprepared for the real world. They've been coddled so much throughout life and never really challenged by professors in school that they get to the real world and can't handle the fact that life ain't fair.
EVERYTHING that @SA-A1 has said is absolutely correct. Your seniors and managers aren't being insensitive to your needs to get the CPA done, they're simply being smart with the job they're conducting... Which is their ultimate goal, in case that had been forgotten. If you can't finish your CPA exams under these pressures, who to say that you can even take on more complex audit areas? It's difficult to justify an investment in someone who can't get it together and expects to be shown sympathy for a job pre-requisite. I'm not saying that taking the CPA exams and working isn't difficult...it's very difficult. But don't you think that completing it with everything else going on proves something much stronger to everyone you work with than making a sensitivity case for yourself?
They probably should, but I guess they think that people who want to pass the exams will do it regardless (probably because the people up top did and now everybody has to suffer and pay their dues).
I don't think it's an unrealistic expectation that when it's a slower time of year that you put in your time and aren't stuck at the office for no reason. No one will care what hours you work if your work gets done. A lot of people hangout at work for appearances so I would avoid that whenever possible. Anyone who tracks when you come and go should probably find better things to do with their time. I usually come into work an hour earlier than my team since I can work more efficiently then.
^life's not fair. Some people have the opportunity to pass before working, others don't. That's the way the world works. To PwC 2 point, if there are other staff idled I think that communication should help bridge the gap. On my teams we make sure to give the staff appropriate study time and workloads when an exam is approaching. Had two staff take exams during January and worked with them to make it work.
Please stop talking in an condescending tone. We all understand how the world works. None of us are the jaded English majors who went to fancy private schools wondering why we can't get a high paying job. You're also hand selecting parts of everyone's comments to push your agenda. No one ever said it's the firms responsibility. I did say it's possible to be accommodating so everyone gets to do the things they want. It doesn't have to be either or.
And making sure staff can take their exams is exactly what everyone has been saying this entire time FYI
Study for CPA after work or take pto / loa to study for it. Dumb Fck.
Those kinds of hours are odd for this time of year, 😔
All the forms where In the city I worked told recruits to pass it before starting or good luck