Buying an investment property on loan with 7-8% interest for rental income Vs Investing in stocks. Which one is a better choice for 10-15 yrs timeline?

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Under reasonable assumptions stocks and it’s not even close

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Not all investment properties are created equal. It depends on what deal you find. But it’s definitely more work.

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7-8% is reasonable right now for a commercial loan.

It's helpful to have diversification of assets and income streams. And, in my experience, it has been easier to acquire financing by leveraging my income properties and rental income than it was earlier in my career leveraging my investments and retirement accounts. If your long term portfolio goals linclude real estate, I would invest sooner rather than later, particularly if you plan to live in a unit of your income property.

People who prioritize stocks typically ignore the tax advantages real property confers, having long-term fixed housing payments for owner occupied properties, and the capital gains tax inherent in any stock sales (compared to merely borrowing against your physical asset at an interest rate much lower than capital gains tax).

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I dumb walked into my first property in 2022 (height of prices, but low rate 3.5%) and it has been awesome. A two-family where I pay, all in, 3900 and my tenants 2,750. Very fairy I could rent both for 2,800-2,900. With that being said, it is such a deal game. It’s not about glamour, just the the numbers - do they work or not work?

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Yeah but I am not in the big appreciation group, if I was purchased in 2019 I’d have made 4-500 instead of 100… and I’ll get the “it’s a bubble” statements - let me introduce you to an area that’s demand far outweighs supply

Unless you got a way too good of a deal on the property, or you got lucky with an area that experienced explosive growth, the stocks will likely beat out the investment property in most cases.

15 years is a long time to hold an investment property. That means you probably are replacing the roof and HVAC at least once, and flooring / paint at least twice if not 3 times. That being said, there are some tax advantages of rental properties that will help the returns a bit.

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If you play stocks right can easily make tons of money

You can also lose a lot if you “play stocks” wrong.

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I think if you want to get into real estate long term and devote a lot of time and energy to buy good deals and manage exceptionally real estate could beat out stocks. However, if you just want to buy an odd property here and there, SP500 would likely win out.

Stocks and it’s probably not close. As long as you’re not dumb about it. Like are you buying SPX or are you chasing explosive gains?

Anecdotally, most people i know that buy investment properties seem to be doing far better than people who just throw everything in stocks. I assume it’s because most people are terrible about how they invest.

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