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This thread is hilarious, why are these BCGand accenture jokers discussing who deloitte hires? OP- Accentures BIGGEST play in tech is the massive offshore teams it has. About why H1Bs are hired in deloitte, several of us unlike you ppt toting bser, actually have “specialized skills” and solid academic backgrounds,I was hired from an top 10 MBA. When i was hiring last year, most of our job openings in my market offering in tech went unfulfilled with no citizens qualifying. Also, tech which is where most H1Bs are hired, is Deloittes biggest moneyspinner unlike strategy where it isnt even close to MBB. Deloitte’s SAP practice was worth 3 B last year, so the short answer to your questions- they need the cash cow. So before you mouth of your xenophobic garbage, know that when the jobs go, they will come for you as well, remember cost is not the same as value

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Idk you should ask them. Just what I’ve heard at my many diners out with various of them so not an accusation big guy.My guess is faking to get on a project because everyone wants to be on cloud projects.

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Interesting discussion and good points, opinion from across the spectrum. Just for level setting- I’m an immigrant and I spent a number of years working at D including staffing teams and owning financials.

The primary reason for H1b program is to augment labor force with hard to find, highly skilled labor. The problem is that over years it was misused to provide commodity skills at much lower rates with minimal HR complications, sort of a slave labor.

This led to the current situation at D (and to a degree across SI industry) where engagement teams are 70% USI staffed lacking diversity and impacting client optics. Also, some of the cultural characteristics start to creep in as mentioned in the previous posts with the most impactful, In my humble opinion, protectionism and favoritism.

At the end of the day, I’m all for proper implementation of H1b program and adjustments to quotas based on current unemployment rates. One of the key points in the current version of immigration law should be enforced much harder - proof that these skills can’t be filled with non visa labor.

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Because they value the person and not the nation they are from?

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👆 bingo!

Just so you are aware I am on H1B and I am at the high end of M band salary range. The amount of flexibility my leaders offered to me due to visa limitations, raising kids in a foreign land is amazing. Your statement is true for folks who are brought onsite by companies like TCS, Infosys etc. This doesn’t hold true for Deloitte. I enjoy my privilege of not getting laid off due to my performance. Your ignorance is the reason why there is a clown sitting in the office. Folks on H1B like me can compete on a global level. Can you? If you can then you wouldn’t be blaming immigration/immigrants for your plight.

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Lolll this is gold. OP gets murdered by words, can’t find anything to say back to DD1, picks ‘immigration’ and gets it wrong again.

Thanks for entertaining us OP

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57K is not the number of visas. Those are numbe of cases approved. For the ill informed American, this means that these were LCAs that were approved for folks either getting new H1Bs or for the ones already on H1Bs. Now, an LCA is filed for every H1B holder for every new client site deployment, so this number is extremely inflated and your understanding misled.

Ex. I am on an H1B for 4 years, but have had 14 H1B petitions, one for each client site I have had over the years. This stat counts the number of LCAs, not the number of individuals.

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From OPs responses, it looks like s/he doesn't care about the facts, and just wants to lash out at foreign workers because:

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How is an immigrant’s job less valuable than your job?

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Stop parroting the nonsense about let market do its job when talking about minimum wages, competition, subsidies for poor if you think US citizens have a first right to jobs irrespective of skill set.

Where to start... I guess by first and foremost supporting SC1. Only 85k H1s are given annually so it’s asinine we get 67%. It just means we change clients more than anyone else does.
BCG1-I’m both Indian and an H1B worker. I also happen to be one of the highest paid for my position. I would accept any less. Not saying what you mention doesn’t happen, but not in consulting (not accounting for Wipro/TCS etc).
Now to the 5% part. I work my ass off. I was one of the lucky ones to get a job at 1 of 6 firms that hire internationals out of 200 firms on campus. I beat those odds. Then I beat the H1B lottery. Why should I get fired because someone else is incompetent (they’re performance firings. They happen every year. This bowl blows up every June)?

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As a US Citizen, I too am interested in understanding these concepts. I too am competent and do a great job and worked my ass off. Let’s not mistake citizenship for inferiority.
Thank you for sharing your perspective.
#proudUSCiitizen

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Reasons
1. Resources are not distributed equally across projects
2. Criticality of skills is more important than basis of visa/citizen

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OP and D1, you have to understand that visa approval numbers and immigration to US are not the same. Every year, similar to companies like TCS, Wipro, Deloitte flies for 1000s of applications for people residing in other countries and get the approval. Doesn’t mean that they call those people to US. They just keep them as back up, so that when they have a need they can call them.

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People who ask questions like this are the dregs of humanity.

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OPs attitude is why I request H1b holders in the USA to plan moving here to Canada. We are extremely proud of our immigrant workforce and will do everything in our power to support them . It’s important to acknowledge that we were all immigrants at some point and if OPs forefathers were kicked out with similar reasoning, our economies wouldn’t be where it is today. It makes me sick how there is such a lack of empathy in this thought process; live the life and troubles of an immigrant for one day and your privileged self might learn some humility

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You are back after a silence of few days with changed viewpoint but still unable to understand numbers. Tell me repeat - D is not a larger user of the program. Amazon, FB, Microsoft, Google actually tops the chart. Check the numbers.

Hey maybe I’m really stupid… but why would we not want to bring the worlds best and brightest here as much as possible?? If we can “steal” 100,000 of the smartest people in India every year, why the hell would we not want to do that? Before anybody bites my head off I have no idea what the numbers actually are but why would you not want to attract the very best in the very brightest from around the world?

I hope everyone of you people here on an H1B visa, or whatever it’s called, has kids, put down roots, and your kids become fully part of this country married and raising their own kids here. Doesn’t that seem like a net gain for our gene pool?

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Again probably a dumb question, but do we really think that their kids will struggle that much? It has been my experience that most immigrant families do really well for the first 2-3 generations. I’m second generation myself and I’m man enough to admit a lot of the Indian and Chinese folks I have worked with are simply better incoming candidates for improving America than my grandparents who came over from Norway were. Don’t get me wrong, on both sides of my family they were super hard-working, honest had kids that became lawyers, nurses and served in the military—or in my case a grandkid who was a Naval Officer for 20 years and later a consultant (okay one misstep). Anyway their children went on to do really, really well.

But all of that aside, the quality of some of the H1B people I’ve met has been off the charts in many ways better than myself or my blood relatives. I want as many of those people from around the world that we can get.

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OPs attitude is the reason why no one buys American cars.

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Damn..I would say OP got destroyed but that would be an understatement... man.. this was brutal.

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Because it’s based on talent and performance and not the country of citizenship.

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I did the meme myself #proud glad to read

OP, Deloitte US isn’t only 50k
50k only represents US Consulting, not audit, tax, internal, advisory, blah blah.

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Why did you reply 2 weeks later with such a useless comment?

Maybe if US citizens were smarter, companies wouldn’t need to hire international talent. Maybe less of the poly sci and philosophy degrees, and more of the engineering/medical ones...;)

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PM1: I think you are spoon fed the details coz people at your level has zero clue how technicality works. Decks and slides and PMO meetings and steerco does not build the product.

If US was left on its own without bringing in talent from outside, it would have been a 4th world country by now

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Working 14 to 16 hours as H1B is unheathly standard promoted by body shopping companies to steal the US jobs

What a xenophobic post. Deloitte is not a US company with US owners. It’s a global network of partnerships that deploys its capital strategically (and I might add rightfully so). If hiring H1B workers makes commercial sense, why shouldn’t they?

Companies do not have a duty to be “patriotic” - one might even add hiring only US employees hinders economic growth and is thus unpatriotic. Just look at the number of companies founded by / led by immigrants.

Oh, by the way, Deloitte is one of those companies.

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And apparently OP doesn’t know how to read and comprehend... so many people have pointed out that your data is wrong and not interpreted correctly, but you just don’t listen. Do you still not know why D have to hire foreigners not someone like you?🤣

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The irony that someone from Accenture is asking this question! Im ex-Accenture and last I recall Accenture heavily used H1-Bs on all it’s projects! Heck, Accenture has built a huge India practice just to support US projects, and every project I led had at least a few India resources plus some H1Bs!!! All firms love to have low cost employees yet cry crocodile tears about saving US jobs.... 🙄

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