I have a paired partner as my mentor but she clearly doesnโ€™t have anything in common with me (she is white and likes another white associate who started the same time with me). I found itโ€™s hard to have meaningful conversations with her during the scheduled mentorship calls. She only asks about my work and is picky about what I said. She goes to the other white associate to chat regularly and barely talks to me outside of our scheduled call. Any tips on how to improve my relationship with her?

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Ask her what she thinks about the firm's diversity efforts - what's her favorite diversity program? ๐Ÿ™„

Ask her what is her least favorite thing about being a partner? What is something she misses about being an associate?

Ask her what is her favorite thing to do outside of work? What is one place in the world that she would recommend everyone should visit once?

Ask her if she were in your shoes, but she knows what she knows now as a partner, what are 5 things she would do to position herself for success and promotion?

Ask her if she would prefer to mentor someone else and if you should request another mentor that has the time (๐Ÿ™ƒ๐Ÿ™ƒ๐Ÿ™ƒ)

If she likes you or if she doesn't like you, you betta get yo stuff and get whatever useful info you can get from her. I know it's the worst when wypipo act like we are invisible flies on the wall, but I'm getting to a point where my retaliatory act of violence is "I shall not be moved"....

People always want to treat POC all kinds of rude and funny ways to try to get us to feel uncomfortable and leave. Then people start to complain about a retention problem, knowing full well that THEY are the retention problem ๐Ÿ™„

Look....as long as I can stomach it through prayer, gratitude and well-timed PTO, I'm gonna stick this mess out, collect my years of tenure/experience/incremental raises, and work on upskilling myself until Jesus on the mainline tells me it's time to catch my glory train to a promotion in another organization.
I'm hoping you can find the grace to do the same. I've seen far too many poc leave firms after 1,2, 3 years and it's so annoying because I know we are just as talented but there is a game being played to try to box us out from staying long enough to begin to make an impact.

So don't let the partner lady fool you, she's just playin a old tired game. Get what you can get and if there's nothing left, find another partner (even if at another firm but a person of color who is open to chatting) who will lend their experience/mentorship/advice/etc.

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Feeling about the same but just getting numb. I know I couldnโ€™t change how the partner see me or treat me. Trying to do the best I can for now and wait for a better market to lateral (I am only at this new firm for Less than a year).

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Just because this partner has been paired with you does not restrict you from talking to and developing relationships with other partners, with or without a formal โ€œmentorโ€ label. Do what you have to with this partner for the firmโ€™s program (if thatโ€™s required). But talk to others. I donโ€™t think that you have to have a partner that looks like you, though being in tune to whatโ€™s comfortable to you is important. I only say that to mean that there may be people out there that will be great sponsors/allies/mentors who will want to be there for you, but that donโ€™t look like you or have a different experience. You shouldnโ€™t limit yourself.

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No helpful advice to offer but going through something very similar so hoping others chime in

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You donโ€™t. Just do the bare minimum and fade her out. Find mentors elsewhere. Mentorship is better when you develop an organic relationship.

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Find a partner on the diversity committee to be your unofficial mentor

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Unfortunately this is the game we all to have to play and takes a lot of swallowing my own pride to get past a more senior professional's bias. I try to find out what her interests are and keep the convo on that, sharing tid bits about me every now and then. Talking about her makes her feel closer to me

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