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yes this person speaks for all of mckinsey just like everyone at accenture does nothing but systems implementation work.

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They also maintain them for 10y, dont they?

I’ve had great experiences and negative experiences. The article is similar to some of the negative experiences.

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It is a little bit. Also insecurity.

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Yes.

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To be very fair to McKinsey, it isn’t much different at BCG.

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Agreed, and the weekend calls

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“The typical day was much more like you’d show up to the client site at 7 a.m., maybe get a half-hour break for lunch—but everybody would be working during lunch—then work through 7 or 8 p.m., get dinner as a team for an hour, maybe work out for an hour, and then work for three to four more hours on a hard day or one to two more on a normal day.”

I call bs on this one. Nobody in consulting consistently works 85-100h these days. Tax slaves maybe. Rush period for 1-2m maybe. Not consistently.

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I also call BS on the post above: we never do breaks for sports

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These late calls happen quite often when you’re working with a team in different time zones.. we try to manage it but often that’s very difficult particularly when the pace of the study is super fast (I was the EM in several occasions having post midnight calls with my team in different parts of the world)

Key though is to align upfront on working hours and norms, and stick to them

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This is like the complete opposite of the purpose of having a life. Wanna suffer? Be a consultant!!

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At least they can say they work at McKenzie

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Oh snap we now know of the secret ritual of ALL McKinsey staff meeting daily at 2 am to plot world dominantion via Zoom. We are on you guys

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Now imagine going through that type of experience and not even having McKinsey on your resume to show for it

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Yawn

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Tired from the 80 hour weeks?

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Its mother jones. Adjust the size of salt grain accordingly.

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It sounds to me like this person also really struggled to draw boundaries. I see it a lot with BAs. Even on hard studies, if you don’t have a meeting on the calendar it’s okay to miss a call from your EM if you’re taking thirty minutes to eat lunch or take a walk. It’s also perfectly acceptable to say during team learning “I need one hour per week for therapy so I will be not responsive during that time”

If you don’t set and enforce your boundaries, of course people won’t observe them

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Agreed, but these are usually folks in their first job. Expecting that they will have the maturity to set up their own boundaries when no one else explicitly does is not really realistic.

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So to recap, this is a story of realizing the business world is not like I read in school. Clients pay for results.
- I love make crazy money for no experience, straight from college
- I hate working the hours it takes to get the crazy money
- I’d like to get the crazy money without working crazy hours
- I was fragile and in therapy for years before getting into the workforce
- I struggle with setting boundaries
- I can’t handle honest and frequent feedback. Why can’t they just email it every 15 weeks like they did with grades in school?
- Why can’t I be rewarded for working long hours, even if my work product is subpar? I tried really hard.
- Boohoo… where’s the safe space office, like I had in school?

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For all fairness, I work at D with a global team and usually work from 10 pm to about 3/4 am with multiple calls…doing this for an MBB for 50% more salary would make it easier to endure

Confirmed. This was me while at D as well working with USI, Swiss and EU teams. This happened typically at the end of projects right around the last 3 months - every. single. time. I needed an apartment and recall having to take an impromptu requirements call on Saturday afternoon mid walk-through. The look on the leasing agent's face was priceless. Follow up calls at 11 pm, 1 am, then first thing in the morning were routine, expected and accepted.

Lol no

This is exceptionally rare and could happen on a one-off study but nowhere near the norm.

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