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title doesn't pay the rent, vacations or retirement.
Factor in some job security. For instance: Setting the work aside, would you rather be an overpaid junior, or a "below market" senior? Which do you think stands out more when the company has to start chopping? Because a job pays the rent better than no job.
Might be time to make a lateral move to another company
On the flip side, titles at each company is different and therefore meaningless. I get a real sense of what role people play from their salary (ie. director at a place with a low salary prob means that person wouldn't operate as director in my company).
Call me what you want, just pay me. I'm just fine riding out promos and getting raises along the way
AD1, my consistent point has been: i don’t care about titles, I’d go for the salary.
they can take the title away but not the salary
We don't know your short-term and long-term career and life goals, so not sure what's more important.
I've always gone title as once you have it it is much easier to get it and the money vacation etc etc
VP1, wut?? You need to work on expanding your limiting perceptions which I can't even understand what you base them on in this particular case with zero evidence of your hypothesis. You do realize that's super biased and only in your head or based on a highly individual personal experience. That's scary that you'd judge and potentially do hiring if staff on this logic.
@AD you seem to be getting highly worked up over this. Let me know what specifically you are challenging.
1. Titles are different at each company. Fact. Ive worked in many agencies and interviewed many people from other agencies to know that titles are not uniform. Some places tend to undertitle while others are known to overinflate. At W+K, for example, ADs are totally running the show while at other agencies, an AD is a mid-level role and not empowered to make the big decisions.
2. You have to look beyond the existing title to see what level the candidate would be at your agency. The aforementioned AD from W+K could be an SVP GAD at another company based on what they’re already doing. To compare objectively, you look at everything from their roles, responsibilities, years of exp, size of client, budget managed, size of team, and yes, their salary. Things that are objectively comparable bc we are not doctors/lawyers - titles aren’t objectively comparable in our industry.
Net net: titles don’t account for much to me. I want to see what you’ve actually done and what level you’re being paid. I’ve brought people in at below what they were before and I’ve brought people in at higher than what they were before bc I know what skills you need to be successful at my company, which may not match where you were before.
VP1, I'm not worked up, just very taken aback. Note your second answer vastly differs from your first! Of course titles differ across shops but not at all as drastically as you describe with a few notable EXCEPTIONS. But really, my issue was your very ignorant and discriminatory comment about salary. Not only does salary also greatly vary across regions and markets, but is also something that is highly abused and not at all a sole indicator of level and competence. Plus, many employers suppress salaries, there's unequal pay between races and genders, some people get paid more by jumping around not because they deserve and many more other scenarios. Your second post is far more intelligent and employing critical thinking.
I think the answer is somewhere in the middle here. Agree that titles aren't necessarily indicative of skill set also agree that there are different reasons salary could be below market. I've worked at both small agencies and the big guys and have seen that one title at one agency doesn't equal the same at another. In several cases it's been not what people think -- small agency folk might qualify for a bigger title than they currently have. Smaller agencies are often understaffed so people there have to level up more than larger agency folk.
OP, you asked on two points: salary vs. title. In my exp, agencies throw titles around like it’s nothing so I’d rather know salary. But without all the other factors, OF COURSE I’m not getting a holistic picture of your abilities. I wanted to give you a diff POV from everyone telling you to go for the title. I’d go for the salary. But of course, everyone has an opinion.