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I include everything: 401(k), Roth IRA, HSA and other savings.
If I’m putting the money in an account other than what I use to pay bills, it’s savings.
None, because absolutely no one has ever asked me this question.
My parents pester me about it because they want to make sure I’m doing ok but that’s about it.
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Long term savings (investments) are the best savings - compounding is incredibly powerful
I guess what I’m trying to consider is if it’s worth counting that for the shorter term if I want to retire early. I think part of the problem is that I also want to make sure I’m set up to in terms of savings since I wouldn’t be able to pull from an ira or 401k
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There are ways to pull from IRAs and 401k’s at any time with a little planning.
Look up Roth conversion ladders
Also you can always withdraw Roth IRA contributions tax free.