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I’d probably go with PwC. The manager salary band is wider, so you’ll get real raises over time. You’re maxed out at Deloitte at that salary and promotions are not guaranteed, and the case for manager will need to be built over probably two years at least
if you’re switching firms I’d go in at a lower level (especially for more money) better to be a high performing SC then a low performing manager. ESPECIALLY for more money.
I came into D at a level lower than I thought I should be and I was SO glad that I did. Lots of runway to learn / be successful and (at least for me) there was no comp stress because I took was brought in high for my band
From what I’ve been told the Deloitte bands are very wide. Also we bring in our SCs coming from Business school around that number and I know they continue to get increases.
Take the title. The pay isn’t significantly better at D and as M1 said, the higher title will impact future raises
Sadly that’s true!
Why would you get paid less to do more work?!?! LMFAO! Call me an intern as long as you pay me bank!!!
What do you mean more work? You do realize that both M’s and “Lead” Senior’s work pretty much the same hours right? In fact, in some tech projects, M’s have the ability to chill whereas the Senior’s are working too hard to accomplish the deliverable and “M” calmly appears to mentor them!
Is your expected tenure in consulting short or long term? I personally think Deloitte might offer better long term growth, but PwC might give better compensation if you were only planning to stay 3-5 years.
Haha! I love the mixed opinions, exactly what I’m going through. At the end of the day, I’m sure both are great choices!
The only thing that concerns me about D is not getting good raises just because I’m already in the high band - is that a possibility?
Can any D validate it?
In general Deloitte has shifted to a model that focuses more on bonuses than large base pay increases year to year, so whether you’re coming in at the high or middle end of the payband for your level, your annual raises aren’t going to be that dramatic as a percentage of your prior year’s salary. Starting now right at the changeover of the performance year, you may only be looking at 1, 2 yrs max at SC level anyway before you’re promoted, anyway. If you pick D, you’ll be glad to come in a level slightly lower for the reasons others have stated here (training opps, runway, etc)
Entry level as a manager may be more challenging due to sales/ managed revenue requirements and simply rebuilding your network out of nowhere. It is true that you will be ok the top bucket of senior consultant pay range but will have an extra year to build your network and succeed as a first year manager. I’d go for D
yup
Senior consultant at Deloitte Consulting is equivalent to manager
Analyst —> consultant —> SC
Most firms go
C—>SC—>M
That’s what the recruiters say.... might be true for Accenture, but not for PwC.
I guarantee your average senior at Deloitte is NOT making $150k
quick check : do you feel you are ready for M at PwC? I understand we have a cohort and salary raises and blah blah but at the end of the day if you are not bringing projects or selling your work to client then you are not going to progress. My thoughts here.
@OP don’t worry about selling in your first year. The right question is whether you feel comfortable leading a project on a daily basis. That’s a clear expectation as we shift more toward having directors being focused on BD
Also gotta consider who you like better, has a better market position, maturity, growth, client types and locations, work life balance, culture...
Comp is important, but it isn’t the end all be all.
My initial gut was go with D but there's a lot of compelling options for both choices. Really curious what OP decides
Haha cool! I will let you know what I’ll decide in a weeks time!
I had the same dilemma at SC at PwC and C at D and I took D. Like the firm but hate the group I work with
It certainly is relevant what practice / group you are joining, but I think for most areas, Deloitte probably offers more / better growth opportunities. Certainly that’s a generalization and would not be true for every practice area.
I am also viewing this from my own perspective. I worked for PwC for 8 years prior to being sold to IBM, and I see the current PwC as still in rebuilding mode, far behind where Deloitte currently is. I worked for Deloitte for over 12 years after that, and you could certainly call me biased based on that.
Bump. In a similar situation. What did you end up doing OP? And how is it working out?