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Hi all, recently in touch by Spotify recruiter for a Sec Engineer position for remote EU and was told that range was 60-80 out of base salary and equity. Had 2 years of security experience out of my 4 years. Was also told that there is no bonus scheme or no sign in bonus 😕 Not sure how I feel about this tbh.
What do you think?
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Loyalty is to the shareholders, not the employees. Best thing you can do is recognize this early on and always look out for yourself.
Ya never stay. Gone are the days when loyalty was rewarded. Long gone!
Keep jumping, keep making that career move for yourself, and keep making that money!
That’s in fact clear and nice.. decision time.
Even the executives are not always the best gor her/his position they fill. If they even can fill it.
Go look for better.
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I think it's often because in general people don't like change and therefore won't do it unless they are forced to by circumstances or upper management or owner. Also, I think people get stuck seeing you in the role you're in and too comfortable with it and don't see anything else. Often there is insecurity of their own control if you were to move into a new role. I think perhaps these are why companies will hire externally or just never make needed changes. The external person feels less disruptive. Just my theory.
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Agree with this comment. After 10+ years in a company, people don’t want to start all over again trying to build relationships and credibility.
You are just another cog in the wheel ⚙️ in a watch & times ticking.
Sorry to say but they don’t owe you anything, this isn’t a relationship between you and the company.
You have the wrong expectations my friend with the wrong type of relationship.
Exactly we all do this. Our childhood traumas plague us all into our adult life & dictate our behaviour. It’s the ones who are aware of this who can adjust & de-program this out of ourselves.
But many treat an employer relationship like it’s something owed to them because they did x,y or z in their life. A job isn’t a reward.
The best slaves are ones who don’t believe they are slaves in the first place. 🫣
Some companies prefer not to promote from within because it can cause social challenges in teams. This happened to my mother at her work. She was promoted and then instantly hated by her coworkers who had no issue with her before.
Sooo true!! I have seen this taken place as well. Sometimes the respect is not due when peers move up.
Are you saying that your company is not letting you interview for another internal role? Not sure what more/less willing means.
Leaders hoard talent at every company since they don’t like the disruption and risk. It takes a cultural shift and a change to incentive structures (top-down) to make the success of their people a priority. And HR (and any finance leaders) should know the company would save a lot of money by hiring internally.
Internal mobility is growing in popularity for these reasons, along with the uncertainty of both the talent market and the economy.
If you decide to make an external move, I would ask about this topic in your interviews.
Good luck.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but since so little is known about your or the situation, it might be worth trying to objectively review all sides.
1) Externally you may look great because you are an unknown, but internally, are you seen as and recognized as a top performer? Do you stand out against your peers, have recognition outside of your team/department/segment?
2) When mentioning the "who you know" or "buddy system" problem, have you tried increasing your internal networks, sponsorship, and overall visibility or perception of value?
I ask this because like it or not, relationships are critical in any company and need to be built. Politics exist and if you aren't actively playing the game, you are still part of it and affected.
Lastly, the two points above tie in to the people you see being coached and developed in spite of a lack of technical skill. Where does you own set of "soft" skills factor into this? It's entirely possible that people lacking a bit of time in the role, depth of expertise, etc. still demonstrate better maturity, alignment to the company needs, leadership.
Personally I believe all skills can be developed, but many of us have gaps in one or more areas. It's important to get an objective view and if you can honestly see where you are in need of development, proactively seek help, which could help you in turn get back into the running for internal opportunities.
Of course, with that said, maybe the environment is simply not one where you will progress for reasons outside of your influence or control, in which case, absolutely take external ones that benefit you. One last thing I would suggest considering if that if upon moving, you experience the same, seek out objective feedback from a trusted peer as it is likely that a problem that keeps following you, is rooted in you.
This is not true everywhere and sounds like a company culture issue.
A lot of company are willing to interview you for fake jobs that they already decided on an internal hire based on seniority. You never stood a chance.
I’ve successfully jumped orgs within tech, but struggled in prior companies to do the same. The economy at the moment might make this tricky, but in the past, I’ve specifically looked to work for companies that empower employees to move horizontally. One tip is to proactively reach out to other leaders and express interest, share your experience and ask what a path to that role looks like. Share that it’s your next step and you’re hoping it’s within the current company, though you have interest from others if that’s not available to you. It might mean taking a step back (I moved from a people leader to an IC to move from sales to marketing for instance), but you can move back up (the case for me). If it’s not the culture there…you’re better off seeking out a company that it is for the sake of your career longer term.
Thank you for this!! I have quite a few interviews lined up this week with other tech companies with aspiring roles for my next move. I feel as though I’ve explored multiple options on this end with networking, taking on more responsibility, led outreach projects, participated as both mentor and mentee, and the list goes on and on to demonstrate my loyalty and quality I bring to the company on paper. I will def. Take my chances with a company who values those efforts!
Depending on the size of the company, you could easily bump up against equitable hiring policy, preventing favouritism, and ensuring employees are paid similarly. I’ve also seen circumstances where an HR department is ill equipped to reevaluate their pay bands to ensure they are offering a contemporary wage. Honestly, there are so many moving parts to actually creating an offer letter…. Not the least of which is the budget made available by the person who vacated the job recently. Now., you don’t have to care… but if you want to move on, you can do so workout having to feel betrayed by you Manager, etc…. Sometimes their hands are tired.
Great companies foster internal mobility in a bid to retain talent. Most companies are average and their loyalty is to the bottom line. Best to always move to the competition to gain cross industry experience and stay sharp!
What's weird is the parallels between online dating and modern relationships and modern careers. You apply for role after role to get rejected over and over again until you land it. And then when you're in that career the only way to get ahead is to suck it up and get lucky or Monkey Branch.
That’s because most companies like these have internal politics. Their loyalty is to their agenda and growth not to those around them.