Would you buy in?

Firm has 12 attorneys. Grosses $5M. Three current equity partners split about $1.9M annually. The buy in is $25K per share up to 25% ($625K). Two of the current partners plan to retire in 3-5 years, so additional shares will be available/need to be purchased at that time. The 3-5 biggest clients are tied closely with the attorneys who will be retiring within the next 5 years. Does buying in make sense or is it taking on too much debt/risk?

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Is your compensation tied entirely to the amount you buy in (25 percent you get 25 percent of the profit) or do you get to stay on as an attorney with pay regardless? It might be worth it to buy a smaller percentage now ($25k-50k) just to be an owner with your foot in the door, get a small profit share while making your salary or whatever other compensation along the way. Cultivate as much of a relationship as you can with all clients and decide how to proceed from there. If you can just take the clients on your own when the other partners retire, you can consider that or work on a buyout with them at the time. Non personal injury law firms have very little value outside of relationships and those relationships fade FAST upon retirement. I have been at a 40+ year old firm for the last 13 years and have seen all of the old guard retire. Their relationships die instantly if not cultivated heavily before they go. I would not pay too much for a relationship belonging to someone else. If you can't independently carry that relationship, the work won't stay.

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That would be a no for me, personally. Not in this economy. While it does seem like an exciting opportunity, it also sounds like a lot more risk than I want to take on right now.

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Trashy deal if you are pretty certain you can keep those top clients.

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This makes sense. I like the idea of tying the price to firm performance in the future. It provides incentive for them to put some effort into transitioning work.

The other risk is that if I don’t buy in, I may not be welcome to stay on as an attorney or the firm may get sold to another firm.

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It’s about minimizing risk, those clients may not stay

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