Canadian lawyer here. 9 years in practice and am just feeling burnt out. I practice immigration and business law. Because I’m not a superstar I haven’t been able to find a firm I can stay at for more than 1 year. They either let me go for not meeting billable targets, COVID, or for asking for my boss to consider a raise at the 1 year mark. I could leave law, but will have to start at the bottom again, and don’t really have any other skills. Any ideas on how to get my career back on track?

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Hi there, I feel you. I think it might be worth it to focus on one practice area (i.e., business immigration visas). Alternatively, you can go in-house and ask if you can also do freelance legal work on the side.

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In house position?

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Agreed - Think it may be you aren’t inspired by the work. Is there any other practice area you could try before throwing in the towel? My burnout is part fatigue but also derived from dissatisfaction with certain types of work (or certain clients). I wouldn’t give up after already have 9 years invested in the field.

Have you considered working for Deloitte or EY doing their business immigration work? There are law adjacent roles too.

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