Hi all, I've noticed that many of us analysts get yelled at by our MDs, but only the girls seem to have the allowance to cry. This practice feels rather discriminatory, as I too want to cry, however, society deems such behavior unacceptable for men. Please advise.

Sincerely,

Disgruntled.

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Well maybe if it is actually a girl, I get it. However, pretty sure you are talking about women, and it doesn’t look good on them either. Sincerely, a woman

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Man up.

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Tough but fair from Goldman.

I got yelled at once, and I yelled back that I’m not their punching bag for something they screwed up. Everyone in the area heard the exchange- it was highly unprofessional on both our parts. Then I grabbed my bag and left for the rest of the day. Came back the next day like nothing happened and never got yelled at again. If I’d screwed up then I would have taken the heat but it’s not my responsibility to be sure they’ve read their emails from their boss.

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Its ok to cry, even I cry. Don't listen to stupid peoplen

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Crying on the desk is a rite of passage for juniors in any high-caliber IB group—the stress level just gets so high. Best to keep it to the bathroom / different floor / outside walk for professionalism purposes though (for both men and women)

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Yell back. Respect over everything else. Give respect take respect. Treat others the way you want to be treated.

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Trust me, girls shouldn’t cry either. It’s a professional environment. I’m a girl

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100% agree.

Ashamed to say I did cry once too. I was having surgery the next week, was incredibly hormonal and was getting yelled at. I just snapped.

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Holding back tears is a top tier skill one masters by practice and practice only

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find other outlets. practice mindfulness, step out, take a deep breath, gather yourself, get a stress toy, etc

Take the high road.

Firstly, MD should not yell at you, that is a bad culture. It’s OK yo cry and walk out.

Cry when no one is around

Poker face.

Also, join a fight club.

Channel that energy into finding exit opps and gtfo as soon as you can

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