I do insurance defense and I HATE it. All I do is defend small businesses against slip and fall cases. I'm being pressured by an attorney family member (who also does ID) to switch to Plaintiff's work at a firm like Morgan & Morgan. He says it's better and I'll earn more. Those who have made the same switch - is the grass really greener? I have zero interest in Plaintiff's work and I've always avoided it but the money and the career advancement is being pushed on me

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I used to do ID. This is my opinion and others will disagree. I hated the messed up billing logic (insurers are the worst) and the work was always dealing with plaintiffs faking injuries/working up the workers’ comp chain. Back injury is $$$$. It’s true PI can make way more money, plus you can control the case to your liking. However, I never wanted to be one (or ID) because the system I witnessed was a game of chess with the actual plaintiff as the pawn. I’m not saying all PI is bad, and they are necessary for wrongful injuries, but what I usually dealt with, everyone was in on it. Plaintiff, lawyer, and doctor. I jumped to another practice. Someone with PI experience will be helpful for you too

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There can be some of that -- more at certain firms -- but you sound a bit jaded and like the seniors were feeding you Kool-aid. Most all ID lawyers hate their jobs because they're defending people who don't even want to pay them properly. The good ID lawyers have been around a while and have learned that it's a symbiotic relationship between Plaintiff and Defense. If those cases that you thought were BS went away, well...so does your job!

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This is what I always call it.

Firms like Morgan & Morgan have the same demands as insurance defense except it’s counted by dollar instead of hour. However, I don’t think a know a single PI lawyer who wants to return to insurance defense.

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My vote is for you to find what makes your heart sing and go do that. Whether it is a new practice area or leaving law altogether for something totally different. You deserve to enjoy what you do and make money.

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I mean that sort of ID is a terrible bargain for hours/pay, and plaintiffs work you can actually make some $ if you have the right firm, so I would switch. Even if that firm isn’t it, you can find a better one. Plus having insurers as clients is the absolute worst

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Representing someone who doesn't want to pay you is BS. ID is a tough road.

I’m in a similar boat. 3rd year and I hate ID, but I don’t see myself going to PI because I feel like it’s just the other side of the dog and pony show. I’m eyeing up government gigs since there’s not much in-house near me for my level.

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You might be the only ID lawyer on here who realizes it's two sides of the same coin. Different structures and more potential upside on the Plaintiff side. But there are also a lot of broke ass Plaintiff lawyers out there. At least ID is steady and reliable work.

You’re given goals on how much you need to recover each year to achieve bonus. It’s the equivalent of an hours requirement - particularly early on in your career. The bigger issue for you is whether you want to do personal injury at all. The side of the v. won’t matter if you hate it. Make a list of tasks you like to do and tasks you hate.

Go do something you like to do. No need to lock yourself into a practice area you hate for the rest of your career.

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I switched. Different type of stress. Better job satisfaction. Money 3x better, or more.

What does your schedule look like on the PI side? I’d be shocked if doubling my salary from ID Comp to plaintiff doubled without a hit to my WLB

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