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Discipline in a HS setting is actually much easier/less of a problem if you understand the difference in classroom atmosphere.
The one thing that most HS students really want (especially from grade 10 on) is to be respected and treated as young adults -- not kids. Now we all know, they don't act like adults 100% of the time. But they're trying, and they want to be treated mostly that way.
As such, if you set up an atmosphere that allows for more open discussion, more agency in their own education, more input into classroom rules (at least where they don't affect results), etc. you'll find that this goes a long way to curbing most discipline issues.
Outside of that, I generally lean less towards 'discipline' and more towards 'accountability.' Which is to say (with things like assignments or whatnot), I don't punish anyone for lack of work -- the grade and parent notifications take care of that on their own. But I will have discussions with them about the important skills involved: deadlines, being able to motivate yourself to do undesirable tasks, and so on. If they want to be treated by adults, they need to learn to be responsible like adults.
The other thing that I find is a large difference between MS and HS, is that the students are more vested in what they're doing. They want to know that their time is not being wasted. As such, you should *always* be ready to answer questions like, "When will I use this?" "Why do we need to know this?" or "How does this apply to the real world?" Most of the time, I try to answer that kind of question as I introduce the unit or assignment; I head that train off at the pass. But as long as you're on top of that, it really is a good thing. Because once they know that there's real-life value to the assignment or unit, they're more likely to engage with it.
I student taught high school and did several years of high school special education before switching to middle school.
Discipline wasn’t much different. In fact, I found it easier at the high school level. I could always better use logic with them and usually outwit them. 😏
I have taught all grade levels K-12. I would agree that there are fewer immature behaviors to address in high school…usually. It may take a year or two to return to “normal”. Right now, my freshmen are similar to 7th graders in many ways. I also enjoy interacting with my high school students. They get my jokes and are more ready to focus on skills for their future.
Having had to do the exact opposite of what you are looking at I will say that discipline at the high school level was a little easier. If your management is good you should be solid on that part so long as you keep doing what you are doing.
You can often reason with high school kids. Middle school, you've got little kids that THINK they're grown. In high school, they're closer to actually being adults and not so touchy about trying to prove it by arguing with actual adults.
Having taught both HS and MS, I find HS mu h more enjoyable. The kids have a better idea about life and are at least beginning to form career plans (even if they change their minds several times before graduation). They are more mature and classroom management is actually easier.
You're mostly right about that but the thing with high school kids are they are at an age that they can are assuming additional responsibilities which also come with following rules. That's why you logic and reason can work on them
I taught 8th grade for about 13 years and then I was MADE to move to high school because I was coaching there. It was the BEST move I've ever made. The students are sooo much more chill. I enjoy every day. If you have structure and their respect, they will accept correction and redirection. No need to fear. It sounds like you have ALL the pieces.
I have contemplated this moving to HS English or History BUT … my son who teaches HS told me “Mom you do not want to do that. You’d end up in jail for killing a student.” (We have Corporal Punishment in our District. I really wouldn’t kill a student!! I do think I’d enjoy teaching older students too.)
Yes and very effective!
Just my opinion, but I find high school kids really hard to deal with. In Junior High, the kids still have some innocence. I guess I just relate to them better.
I’d recommend 9th grade. We really need teachers who understand the young ones and can help the transition between middle school and high school.