In response to a LinkedIn post about how lateral candidates are wanting time off between jobs because they are burned out, one partner said this. If you’re at a firm that thinks 2700 billable hours is normal and does not entitle you to feel burned out, then you need to get out. I’m am outraged on your behalf.

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Also lol at caring more about money than where you can build a career. It’s almost like the path to partnership isn’t what it was 30 years ago!

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The best comment is the “I am petting my briefs and working on your cat” response….

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That too. Why does that guy care so much if associates in law firms are in the office or not? I went to the office last week for the first time and was in my office, alone, taking call after call after call. I spent approximately 5 minutes chatting in the hallway with colleagues. Am I really supposed to believe that those 5 minutes are worth all the time I spent getting dressed and commuting and being away from my family so I could sit in my office with the door closed on the phone? GTFO.

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For those who didn’t get to see the post before the recruiter deleted it: it was essentially an exchange between partners at Mayer Brown, Locke Lord, and maybe another firm, along with an in-house counsel and an associate at Kirkland (all of which were in Texas offices — Houston in particular, I think) saying that associates are entitled, working 2300-2700 hours is normal, everyone should be back in the office ASAP, and associates aren’t committed to their careers and instead obsessed with money.

Avoid these firms at all costs.

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There’s some guy in the litigation and arbitration bowl right now suggesting that associates who don’t want to bill 2400/year simply don’t want to do a full day’s work. Lol.

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Kim kardashian?

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Lol I saw that post earlier and it’s the same Kirkland Houston associate who wrote paragraphs on TLS defending Andy Calder…

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Maybe she's Andy's burner account 😂

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that LinkedIn post needed a trigger warning

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Yea, audibly said “what?!” to a couple of comments lol. Very confused why that GC cared THAT much about working from home.

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That associate is my nightmare

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Just read that post on TLS lmao. She should make share partner for her boot-licking alone.

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On what planet is 2700 hours, 50 per week? No holidays? No vacations? No non-billable time? Gimme a break.

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I summered at K&E Houston and declined my offer. That place is a dumpster fire. I have friends at K&E NY and Chicago, which are both infinitely better than the Houston office according to friends that have transferred offices. There’s a reason K&E Houston gives such high signing bonuses.

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That thread should be titled “how to show I don’t get what’s happening in the legal industry for which I recruit without saying it”

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Cut Anne a break. KE and others in that market are a huge part of her clients. Don't want to piss them off. I thought she was tastefully pushing back.

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Well. I just accepted an offer to go there.

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Blink twice if you need help.

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Did this post end up getting removed? I was looking at it yesterday but now I’m having trouble finding it.

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Yeah the recruiter deleted it

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I mean also what is so dumb is that these are all things you ask a recruiter to determine whether or not or you want to be submitted to a firm. You don’t ask the partner at the interview.

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How can I find this LinkedIn post?

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Look at my post above

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I’m at MB and we can see average monthly hours by office/practice/position. The avg hours are much lower than 2300-2700 so that range is definitely not normal even at his firm.

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Someone just DMed me about where u can see it and I accidentally lost the msg. Yes it is @ globalnet-lawdrill menu

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Sorry missed that! Thanks so much

I have billed 2,200 to 2,400 every year for the past 7 years. This year is going to be lower due to financial market conditions . It is true that you should expect to work more than 2,000 hours a year in big law. 2,700 is brutal but would say if you want to progress you need to hit good hours.

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