Going from V20 to in-house … in a cubicle. Am I just being bratty for expecting an office? I didn’t consider this to be a “thing” during interviews and learned on my first day that i’m in a cubicle. Kind of crushed…

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You get used to it, but it is a hard transition, initially.

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I think it’s super common to not have an office in-house unless you’re the GC. When my company moved offices, we managed to finagle two offices for the legal team that were shared by six attorneys (3 per) and that was a luxury. Non-law firms just don’t have the same mindset and usually it’s the business execs who get the offices if there even are any with the new madness for open floor plans. Frankly, it probably never even occurred to them that you’d expect an office and I wouldn’t ask for one until you’ve proven yourself at the company.

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My understanding is that that’s common in house 😬

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Very common in-house. I worked for one employer for 7 years with an office and they tried to get me to come back a few years later with less money and a cube.

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You get a cubicle? So many places, specially in tech, you don’t even get that…

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I've been in house my whole career (3 companies, 8 years) and I've never even had a cubicle. Tech is open floor plan foreva

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Tell higher ups that it’d be prudent for confidentiality purposes if you had your own office to have more discrete legal convos and calls

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The last time I was working at the office we had an open floor plan. We started with an office but they were taken away to make room for the office of the future. Designated cubicle would have been an upgrade!
So basically unless you got there early, you were stuck with the worst seats in the open space where everyone could see what you were doing. I had a rolling backpack where I carried all my files, laptop, keyboard etc. I hated it.

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As in-house counsel myself (second go-round), I cannot fathom the concept of working without a door. If your employer expects you to do *any* work which requires confidential communications (contract negotiations implicating trade secrets; HR investigations; non-public Board support; etc.), you need to be able to close off. Disappointing to read all of the comments from the tech world about open-space work, even for GCs.

Don't get me wrong - I enjoy the human interactions, and most of the time (unless I'm concentrating or on the phone) my door is open. But the ability to close it is still key.

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No offices and some of our offices are complete open plan (not tech either ). When you need to do a confidential call you find a huddle room. It’s not ideal but it is the increasing norm.

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Be glad you have a a cubicle. You just went from top of the food chain at a law firm to somewhere in the middle as a necessary cost of doing business. You don’t generate revenue and you don’t build. But you’ll get most of your life back.

Don’t sweat it. If you really want an office, become a gc.

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I'd be miffed a bit too but if you get your life I would happily do it in a cubicle

I had an office at my old in-house gig, straight out of law school... but I know some other locations only give cubicles. So probably a luck of the draw thing. If it really stings you so bad, you can always look to lateral, or bring it up with your manager.

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The cube was my biggest gripe when I transitioned in-house. I could not think with the constant noise or work with people “popping” by. Eventually you get used to it, but I miss shutting my office door. It is a luxury I took forever granted when I was still in private practice.

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Law firms are transitioning away from offices too. Latham has been doing it for a while, as an example.

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I am surprised they didn’t mention it since transitioning to a cubicle / open floor plan is always a big adjustment. Most interviews I have had highlighted it.

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Rare to have an office in-house. And if you are in tech, you may not even as a GC. Look at it as a chance to get to know your coworkers, those random interactions help you to be more than just lawyer and ingrain yourself in the business and culture of the company.

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I had an office out of law school in-house. It was nice I guess, especially to shut the door sometimes, but people usually ignore that anyways. I probably had like <20 calls over that 3 year time where I really needed the privacy to discuss all of the things people are brining up. Still worth using that as a lever though…. I did manage around 10 employees which was a weird start to my career, and I definitely needed an office to do performance reviews or whatever.

In my next role, I didn’t manage anyone and really didn’t do HR work. Basically everyone knew what was going on so rare need for an office. I had the option to take an office but I liked interacting with people since COVID lockdowns had made life kind of lonely in the office world. So, I sat in a cube.

Just started my new role two months ago, still remote. I am curious what I’ll get when we go in, like you I didn’t really think to ask about it during the interview process.

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Were all of your interviews over video/phone? One downside of remote recruiting is candidates don't have the ability to see the office and working conditions which can lead to disappointment or lack of clarity.

As others mentioned, if an office is a priority for you bring it up sooner than later, speak to confidentiality, sensitive issues, etc. or simply say you feel like you can be more productive without distracts. If their work location doesn't have offices, then it's a whole different issue because they likely couldn't accommodate even if they wanted to.

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It will be the first of many corporate things that you’ll find irritating coming from law. You’ll get used to it.

What you may not ever get used to is the jargon 🤮

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So much jargon

Yeaaah, yore being very bratty. In many companies, especially in the tech space, offices were reserved only for the GC, or Deputy GCs at best!

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