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Figure out a way to convince yourself to get the vaccine.If that means taking a shots of alcohol or something - then do it.
If you are unable to convince yourself, then ask your firm for support with some education program on the benefits of vaccines and then get the vaccine.
No other way than getting the vaccine. You just have to overcome your mental block somehow and get the jab.
There are many things you may not "want" in life but have to do them so see this as a challenge that you need to overcome in your mind.
It's easy to play the 'everyone is against me' card and victimize yourself into avoiding a concrete system of logic. This way you don't need to also connect what you feel vs proof that some mass cover-up is taking place because youd have to answer 'why'.
TBH your 'careful of OUR government' comment is laughable compared to places like Russia where there is ACTUAL pre-meditated mass propaganda, direct misinformation and purposed methods of control over the general population in place. OP you don't have a clue as to what you are even insinuating!
While others have given absolutely terrible advice, let me ask you a question: has your state taken a legal position of not allowing companies to force the shot on its employees? If so, much of the battle is already won. Does your state have legal precedent for religious or any other exemption? If so go that route as well.
IF and ONLY IF none of the above is the case, I would do both of the following at the same time: start looking for a new job, and begin negotiating with your current job about either WFH permanently or them allowing you to come back without the shot.
If you by principle don't want it, then stand on your principles. There are plenty of companies around the country that will not or cannot force you, especially if you are in a state that will not allow it.
Rising Star
What you can do is get vaccinated
G1 - you are doing gods work but it’s wasted here. Op clearly is not the brightest.
Chief
It is not an infringement of your rights. As a private company they can require that you be vaccinated to remain employed. Likewise, they can require that you work in the office, etc.
Too many people don't understand that Constitutional Rights are specific to what the government can and cannot ask you to do. For example, if the government throws you in jail for something you said... that is an infringement of your Rights. But, your company is not similarly restricted and is free to fire you for something you said.
Employees have a right to safe work environment, and management has certain rights to know their employees aren't engaging in risky behaviour that may threaten their employees from being able to perform their job duties, miss deadlines, etc.
If they have set a company policy that is in-line with local laws, then you have few options. You are deciding to risk your career over remaining willfully unvaccinated. The only possible way I could see around this is if you had a legitimate medical exemption against vaccination, which might fall under "reasonable accommodations." Something tells me you don't have one.
If your employer is resides in an "at-will" jurisdiction, they can pretty much terminate you for any reason.
They’re not infringing on your rights. It’s a term of employment, which companies can update as they see fit. And you’re at will. You’re welcome to find a new job, at a place who doesn’t have vaccines as a workplace term of employment, if you want.
If they're vaccinated, it shouldn't matter if I'm not! And if they're not, that's their choice!
As others have stated, you are an at-will employee in a private organization. You are not guaranteed a job there to begin with, and you are not complying with their policies for employment to keep that job.
The good news for you is when Bill Gates presses the button and the mass extinction event happens from the vaccine, and 4 billion people on Earth are wiped out overnight like a Thanos snap, you can have your job back and be CEO.
We all know that big pharma and politicians have their hands in each others pockets! No one is getting sued because all the govt officials are guilty!
Rising Star
When you apply for a new job, please don't bring this topic up, for your sake, lest you sound half as unhinged and unreasoning as you do here.
Not being fired! HR and I are going over the medical exemption process!
This person is joking, right?
No! My job is not a joke to me!
This dude is unhinged. I am sorry for his boss.
I think you’re about to get fired 😬
Not when my medical exemption comes through!
Chief
I wouldn’t go back to the office ever…So, this one is easy. New job szn. Unless you want to get a medical exemption or something
I wonder how it will look to hiring managers to potentially on-board a potential employee who refuses to get vaccinated without a legitimate medical exemption.
It speaks to underdeveloped critical thinking skills and a rather self-centred/Machiavellian ethical system that doesn't show much concern for others, including colleagues. It shows a person who is not able to properly research or stay up-to-date with factual information regarding significant current events that affect global business. The line of reasoning here also speaks to dishonesty and lack of trustworthiness. Are these qualities of good leadership?
Would these characteristics be of value for an organisation's long-term success and shared vision?
Honestly just get a new job. It sounds like your values and needs as an employee do not match up with what they can provide. Release yourself from the victim mindset, nothing is being done to you it's just time for you to change your place of employment. Take accountability for your own actions and redirect that energy into interviewing for a new job that has what you want.
I am accountable! They're the ones not being accountable to the trust and rights of a long time employee!
Help! My doctor says I can only get a medical exemption if I get the first vaccine and have an allergic reaction! What bull! I'm opposed to getting the vaccine at all! Why would I get the first one and see if it kills me!? Has anyone here gotten a medical exemption for another reason!?
No, we’re grown ups who understand how vaccines work
This was an amusing read! And to think this dude /dudette is a director at a tech company!
Welcome to the world of at-will employment. You can always find a job elsewhere, one that does not require vaccination.
Try Hobby Lobby or Chic-fil-a - nvm, scratch that.
OP - i feel you and I support your right to choose. I too was forced to get the jab in order to keep my job. Everyone says it's your choice - no it wasn't. Hundreds of thousands were forced to get the vaccine in order to keep their jobs and that is not ok. These companies mandating these vaccines have no federal backing to these decisions. The insane number of side effects is finally coming out released by health insurance companies because Pfizer & Moderna wouldn't do it. Moderna has NEVER had a vaccine approved for use in the entirety of Moderna being a company, yet here they are. These experimental vaccines were dropped on us in less than a year, skipping all the years of testing & data that regular vaccines have always been required for - WE ARE THE EXPERIMENTAL GROUP. how people don't see that is baffling.
And yes, CD1! It is forced! If you don't get the poison, you can't feed your family! If you do, you risk your health! What a joke!
OP has been quiet. Think they gave up, got fired, or got blocked? 😂
Rising Star
Kind of thinking this post was just for fun
Let's just pretend they got blocked. It's more fun that way 😂
Chief
Keep in mind Canada doesn’t have any freedom anymore either
The emergency act that allowed that was limited to a maximum of 30 days ( I think it lasted 9) and is subject to a full parliamentary review. The only people who had accounts frozen(which have since been released) were protesters that had been warned for days that the occupation was illegal and if they didn't leave they would face consequences.
Honestly start interviewing and leave for a pay bump. The job market is insane rn
I might have to! Until the next company goes for the govt propaganda too!
You are free to take a hard pass on the vaccine just as the private entity you work for is free to fire you over it. In the end, they aren't going to force anything on you It's your choice on whether the vaccine is worth your employment