My WLB is just me choosing which part of my life to fail at today. If I hit my billable target, I’m a bad parent because I missed bedtime. If I make it to the soccer game, I’m an unreliable associate who left a partner hanging. There is no balance. We’re sold this lie that you can have it all. Does the guilt ever go away, or do you just get used to living in a state of perpetual apology?

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You just find a schedule that works for you. I work all sorts of odd hours but am around for my family and friends pretty much whenever I want. If I stop working at 4pm to go home and see the family, I pick up work around 9. I can start at 5/6am to get ahead of things and make sure I’m free that evening for whatever. It’s really not difficult unless you’re pacing 2,200+

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Yes, this is the way. I'll also say, though, if you're at a firm where checking out to attend your kiddo's soccer game is seen as unreliable, it may be time to lateral. Just joined a firm where the partnership is very young, and the culture shift is palpable. Everyone is expected to work hard, and there are definitely times we're all in the trenches together on calls with kids whining in the background. At the same time, saying "I'll be out of pocket for a bit doing X for my child" is universally accepted and supported (barring a true fire).

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You just learn to stop apologizing

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I couldn’t make it work and decided my wife and kids were more important than the partners at my firm (who were all miserable and whose lives I did not want) so I went in house. Best decision I ever made career wise.

Find a job with more reasonable hours requirement. I’m currently doing 1750/year fully remotely and I am able to be present for at least 4–5 hours with my kids each day.

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Do you think all these violent and hate filled attacks are because people aren't getting the emotional/mental support they need, whether it's therapy at any age or help they needed but didn't get from a social worker as a child? My coworker is sure this is the case, but I honestly think there's actually something deeper wrong either with how these people are being raised as children, or how the warning signs these people give off are ignored or swept under the rug to save face.

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Last week I had to explain to my child what “politics” (as in office politics) is. My child is going to a new high school and wants to play volleyball. There was a 3 day open “tryout” for incoming freshman for 2 teams. After the first day, she noticed that
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2) some can’t even play and got on the team,
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This past year was/is the worst in my life by far. Aside from all the Covid mess we’ve all dealt with I lost a parent, an in-law, my spouse has decided they no longer want to be married and my grandmother is in hospice with days left. I believe this was/is my least productive year in my career as a result. I’m worried my job won’t be here in a few months and I’m doing my best to hold it together. Sorry to be a downer but I just needed to throw my worries out there in hopes they never come back.

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We were not trying to conceive. And I was drinking alcohol like twice a week.
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Brand new (like, just-had-a-kid new) mom here. Life seems manageable with the baby sleeping much of the time. It gets worse from here doesn’t it? I’m scared 😱😱😱

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When hirings managers ask illegal or unethical questions that is not relevant to the job or skills needed for the role like...
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I'm hiring for a position in my team
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