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This post has so much “consulting” bad juju it’s ridiculous. Please don’t come to biglaw if you’re going to bring the same vibes.
Not intended to be bad vibes at all!
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Ex MBB, married to V5 EP -
- their hours almost always significantly worse than mine were especially holiday and vacation work
- level of detail / 100% is there in both but manifests in different ways (research, writing, slides and storytelling… my lawyer can’t put together a decent slide deck, and apparently I suck at formatting docs. We both need to have done a lot of research, etc.)
- transactional law, at least, is less collaboration and in person work than consulting.
- from what I have seen, more backstabbing/fucking people over in law
- law travel can happen regularly but it’s for wherever the courts are (different if in white collar or lit, which is a lot more travel and international travel than other law)
- law is also way cheaper, staying at shitty hotels for partner meetings, rarely business class travel (some clients, long international flights). Way more expensive healthcare, no 401k match
- correct re skewing older and more male
- if you don’t live in NYC you are generally viewed as a second class citizen in a lot of law firms - that is where the center of gravity is
- consulting a lot more understanding of “life” - childcare, illness, taking care of parents, being on vacation, parental leaves, etc.
- agree with your take on promotion path to equity partner vs mbb partner - view it as way harder in law
The lawyer is a lot more stressed and a lot less happy overall. (And before everyone tells me all the ways I am “wrong” this is one couple’s experience)
Enthusiast
Got a lot out of it. Left the level below partner (didn’t want to be one) and transitioned to tech. I enjoy life more now :)
Subject Expert
Seems off... most people are closer to 45-55 hours in Biglaw and overexaggerate workload. Idk what you mean by the no need to be 100% right thing; most things don't have a 100% right answer... Biglaw can be a ton of travel too depending on your practice (including international) (know partners that have retired to award it). Dubious about promotion path relative ease too
Does Biglaw really skew that much worse in gender disparity? Odd given there are currently more women going to law school. I imagine that may reverse the trend in the next decade or two
Subject Expert
You aren't citing case law like at all in corporate which is most profitable legal practice. In litigation, you do but often you don't find the perfect fit and case law leans both ways or run into something with little caselaw on point. Travel is better post covid but some people do a ton. In some firms it is billable
Subject Expert
Standard hours in big law are typically about 50-55 worked with 40-50 billed, with stretches of 65+ billed. People aren’t typically working 65-80 hours and tend to exaggerate their hours. But conversely, hours billed tends to make it look like people work / are “on” less than they actually are
Subject Expert
You are so far removed from big law that most of your observations are irrelevant.
Subject Expert
I asked because I really wouldn’t recommend doing this. At the very least, I recommend you speak directly to at least a few lawyers who are going to give you an honest assessment of what practicing law is really like, if you haven’t already. If you still want to do it after that, so be it. Just my two cents.
Subject Expert
Are you sure about doing this?
Coach
I’m not sure you’re entirely clear on what you’re getting into. If you want to do a clerkship post law school, that means you’re going to likely end up in litigation. There are fewer exit options in house for litigators. Depending on the kind of litigation you do, getting a government attorney role after biglaw isn’t that easy either.