What is an acceptable reason/response for wanting to leave a big 4 to go to a full service firm aside from better pay? I will still be doing L&E. I really like the folks I work with but the firm as a whole is meh.

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You want to go to a full service firm where you can interact with attorneys in other practice groups to get a better idea of how your practice impacts the client’s operations as a whole. You also don’t want to refer out future work for future clients to other full service firms - I.e., if one of your clients needs help with a real estate or IP issue. You want to provide your clients a full range of service and not risk losing work to the firms you refer to

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I did this, and it hasn’t been a great upside because my rate is so high at the full service firm that clients choose to take their L&E business at a big 4 to save money. Also the bonuses suck where I’m at, and I could make more overall at the big 4 firm I left. I genuinely feel like my growth as an attorney has been stunted as well because at the big 4 I was trusted, had direct contact with clients, and managed my own cases. Where I’m at now, the work is not as enjoyable, and I have limited direct client contact

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Keeping non L&E work in house is the biggest upside that big 4 can’t argue against.

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