Can anyone explain why insurance defence work in the US is such a terrible place to be? I work in insurance defence / coverage (financial lines) based in London and it doesn’t seem like it has as negative of a reputation as it does in the US, why is that? 👀

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Agree with TA1. My cases vary from auto, construction, premise, fires, ect. I’ve worked in house for a major insurance company for some time now. I have no billables, make market value for my class year, work 10am-4pm most days, and handle my own case load (45 currently) with great flexibility. Love my staff and my claims adjusters are easy to work with. I feel like my role as a “litigator” has turned into more of risk assessment. We assess cases and settle them. There has not been a trial in years with my office. Also to add-I left ID for a bit and moved into a big firm with big clients and high end work. I felt like an intern, dealt with snobby co-workers and was micromanaged. It wasn’t for me.

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Can you explain “market value” for your class year? Genuinely curious what actual pay is like in ID.

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If you search “ID” or “insurance defence” on this app, you’ll see a ton of it. It’s great exposure starting out. But no senior associate/partner wants to make half of what they otherwise could peddling to insurers that are seemingly hell bent on watering down the legal profession.

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I did nothing but summarize medical records (depressing) and try to maintain unrealistic/unethical billing requirements.

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Insurance and reinsurance are venerable, respected businesses in London (think Lloyd's). Not so much here, where we have a aggressive insurance bar.

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ID partner here. I like it. There is a steady supply of cases that come my way from major insurance companies as well as the little guys. Hourly rates are low to stay competitive because there are more firms than clients. Then the hours that are billed are cut heavily by billing analysts that are paid to do just that. On the positive, my adjusters are usually reasonable and able to analyze things from a detached perspective. Types of cases range from slip and falls, bad faith, auto, fires, cemetery litigation, class actions, foreign object in food, construction litigation and trucking. Something new every day and a steady income where AR is better than the general public subject to the restrictions previously mentioned. Plus I love trial work.

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Side note: associate experiences vary. I worked in a smaller office with around 5-6 lawyers. In a larger environment, it can get competitive and very time consuming to bill hours. Add in a less than stellar partner experience and that may account for high turnover.

I think it really depends what kind of ID work you do. I do legal mal and employment discrimination ID work, and the cases are way more complex. These cases get heavily litigated (especially legal mal) and I got a ton of amazing experience right out of the gate handling a large caseload, writing motions, doing oral arguments, doing depositions, etc. And the WLB at these firms tends to be way better. I basically never work past 6 or on a weekend.

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