How do so many in industry get away with doing so little while not getting fired? Genuine question as I’m worried about being fired due to utilization @D and I just can’t comprehend how there’s so many industry people coasting without worry

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It’s more the other way around: how does consulting continuously squeeze productivity out of its employees while only billing a fraction of that time to the client? Some of the factors I see driving it:

- Higher pay, which comes with more pressure to perform
- Culture of overachievement with no room for regression
- Continuous pipeline of highly talented young people who are seeking high-paying jobs with “prestige”
- Opaque performance management that rewards more than utilization (i.e. who you know, “high impact” extracurriculars, inconsistent coaching)
- A dash of Stockholm Syndrome

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I am definitely moving back to industry after some time..... consulting is great for enhancing certain skills but not for the type of peace i want in life. Money is not everything...there are decent paying jobs in industry

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You have to be a top candidate to work in consulting. That allows for a culture with a minimum amount of rigor. And it generally attracts people who are Type A, aggressive, or overachievers. It's very much up or out in most firms. That isn't the case in most industry companies. As long as you're doing your work, you're generally okay. So what if you never get promoted past junior manager. If you're okay with it, they're okay with it. Most people are average, and even below average people need jobs too. You tend to see a great variety of work ability in industry and that impacts the culture.

Some people coast, other people are working at around their maximum capability. But in the end, that's not even what is at play the most. Industry just has a better understanding of WLB. Consulting firms are the outliers when you look at work approach in most of the world.

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@D1 - why not actually answer the q? Its a valid one. Anyways...mostly, I find companies develop a culture. At consulting firms, most of us are high achiever, drivers, etc. Many in client roles quickly mirror their own culture. You’ll see people working up or down to the level of their “near peers”. That said, I do agree there is much softness a clients. Have a group of 2 people? Well, then you need a manager. I have a client who just implemented a work from home policy. Except...if an employee decides to come to work then their manager and director need to come in. Its just a culture that builds upon itself.

maybe there should be a balance.

What makes you think industry is chilling? We often work 45-55 hours a week even though the expectation is 40. No we don't often pull 60-80, but we aren't expected to. Neither the pay, the presige, the advancement of our careers or anything else is allocated for that level of hours. Most industry folks have families and need to make dinner every night, shuttle their kids to soccer practice on weekends and have other similar typically suburban pulls on their time outside of work. In comparison, those in consulting often have nannies and other things that make their lifestyle possible. Consultants also throw a lot of time into travel that industry does not, so long as you have a reasonable commute.

Personally, I'm busting my butt in consulting in hopes of being able to settle into a solid 40hr/wk industry gig. Heck, I'm really aiming for 35 or less if I can swing it! I used to have a solid 9-5 in NYC. 30-60 mins for lunch. Summer Fridays. Pay was crap though at entry level.

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