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there is lots of free online education. find something that interests you, learn it, and put it into use. get a few certs along the way.
learning python would be a good start…
I am a self-taught senior software engineer without a college degree. In the 90s I couldn't get a SWE job to safe my life if my life needed the job to save me. In 2016 it seemed the industry changed & experience became king so I got a Jr. developer job for $65k/yr. In 2019 I landed In $100k+/yr. I worked with a biochemist who switched to SWE & became a contract scum master (devops). My target career goal is now Solutions Architect (average: $170k/yr.
My recommendation if you want to do coding:
Practice MEAN stack (full stack, meaning coding backend + frontend). M = mongodb or Mysql, E=express.js (backend), A=angular or React/Vue, N=node.js. That all javascript/typescript
CHOOSE your language path & SEARCH the internet for your language like this: full stack react [vue or angular] express typescript project
If you really want to becone a SWE in 6 months put in 4-6 hours a day. Research, research, research YouTube: how become software developer 6 months
I offer people to teach them & in 10 years not a single person to up my offer.
A boot camp on is own gives you 10% of what you need to be a software engineer. It may be enough to get hired by an early stage startup that doesn't have enough money to pay market rates for someone with a full education and experience, but you'd still be under skilled. A BSCS degree teaches about 50%, depending on how strong the practical portion of the program is. That's why some schools offer internships.
Being a software engineer requires years of training your mind and way of thinking. A boot camp is basically just someone reading documentation out loud to you for one set of tools out of literally thousands of sets of tools, and not teaching you any of the fundamentals.
Source: I've seen this dozens of times over ten years. I've had to work with people like this, and my company hired way too many of them, so we had to run internal learning sessions to teach them each new thing, because not one of them had enough fundamentals to teach themselves anything. This slowed business down a lot because the experienced people were getting paid to spend their time babysitting the unexpected people who were getting paid to learn things that they should have either already known or should have learned themselves. There are of course exceptions found in unfortunately intelligent and motivated people, but realistically those people's success is only a function of time; they would learn anything on their own given enough of it.
As for a master's, I have one. My masters program built on top of a bachelor's education. It was definitely not something that anyone with a STEM degree could do. There were folks from an electrical engineering background who had done some coding on their own who caught on pretty fast though.
In other words, you're asking about doing a full pivot of your career. Expect to spend a lot of time and money if you want to be able to compete with those who have invested those resources. It's very possible, but don't disservice yourself by cutting corners.
We also just had to lay off a good deal of those Code Camp Coders because the market now sucks and we can't be spending our resources like that. It's another consideration. If you're young enough to be considering this, consider that you'll have to weather another recession most likely, and what that might mean for your family
What does "go off" mean? I'm unfamiliar
Paid apprenticeship is the best route to go. Amazon, LinkedIn, Twilio pay 40 hr. It's on the job training. Don't pay no mind to the discouragement. Look into the Apprenti program or those listed above apprenticeships.
Do some JavaScript tutorials, do you like coding? If so sign yourself up for online courses. When you start applying for jobs looking for Junior level positions and either expect promotions every 2 years or expect to switch employers about every 2 years. IMO now is not a good time to get a masters in CS because the industry is cutting back a little, and you'll face a lot of competition in the job market for positions that hire other people with masters in CS.
I switched from Mechanical engineering to Software engineering recently. I think I really lucked out with finding a job quickly though. I had done some online courses such as python in codecademy and some basic C++. I started my Masters of SWE in January 2022 and got a job as a Software Engineer at Boeing in August 2022 after taking a couple classes. There really wasn’t anything too impressive about my resume so again I think I lucked out with getting a job after only a few applications. Also I opted for the Masters route because I knew I likely wouldn’t stick with a self paced course, and I had a way to get my degree paid for.
Based on your last sentences, I’d opt for a master’s in CS
Bootcamp grad working at FAANG here. Bootcamps are anywhere from 5k-20k. If you are a self learner there isnt a big need to go to a bootcamp or get a masters in CS. You really just need to show you have done coding projects to get a SWE interview. Then if you understand the SWE interview process it’s all downhill from there.
Try nucamp
Either of the options you mentioned would work. Ofc, free materials exist and will help you along the way. More importantly I'd recommend you put together a small project or 2 to prove that you can code and learn on the job.
Considering the background you mentioned, digital twins come to mind...building around a specific passion will make the learning curve way more feasible/enjoyable. Good luck!!
My bootcamp utilizes Odin project. Hope this helps.
Oh, by the way. I have NEVER had to show a project/portfolio or one single line of code in any of the jobs or projects I've ever gotten or done. ALL my job rejections came from "coding interviews". If anyone suggest to do a coding interview I would ask them, "Are we going to use the code I write in an application? Then, aren't we to write reusable code & according to gathered requirements, design & business strategies? No, thank you". In 2016 I did an interview at a software consulting company. I was asked questions on a white board (I never did do 1 again). It was a foolish experiment but I did it anyway. I never heard from them. A month later I was working in another company & the head guy who interviewed me from that company was hired on my very team as a consultant. He was the cofounder of the other company. He was shocked to see me. We chatted & he said, "We let a good one got away". I thought: karma!