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Yeah, getting laid off is a budget thing. Sure, they can the people they feel like they need least, but it is a budget thing.
People get fired for incompetence or bringing two hookers to the office where they do coke, among other things, all around the office before stealing company laptops and it’s all caught on tape and a true story.
I’d really like to stop the myth that only bad people get laid off. From what I’ve seen that’s definitely not true. I’ve seen very competent people laid off time and time again that go into to better shops and do great work. OP you will probably get laid off someday and it will likely have no relation to how competent you are (could be based on salary or the boss likes his friend more than you who has the same job). Being fired is different as it’s based on the individual, being laid off is based on the fiscal health of the company which most people being laid off had nothing to do with.
A lay off usually involves severance where a firing does not
I’ve had both happen. Got fired because if just wasn’t a good fit. Got to the agency and knew I hated it within the first four months but foolishly decided I needed to stick it out to hit my year for relo purposes.
The layoff was me taking a gig at a place that had never had internal creatives before. I made some killer work but the margins just weren’t there. No bad blood and I’ve been asked back a few times to freelance.
Either way, keep your head up high and look to move forward. Take only what you need to from the experience. Learn from it without dwelling in it. After doing everything that was asked of me in my 90 day PIP, the one shop told me I was just a square peg in a round hole. IE “we just don’t like you.” I was honestly relieved on the drive home that day.
it might legally/technically be different but you are still getting let go because someone decided that it was your labor/skillset that could be done without so
Getting laid off en masse is usually incompetent management, or lack of trust from clients.
For instance when you get a new CEO and in 6 months, 4 major clients walk, and layoffs come, you have to look at the CEO. And when you interview and someone asks whats up, point to the fact the CEO is new and clients don't feel confident that the company can deliver. Or whatever else is responsible for that business loss.
When you get fired, that's on you.
Companies often lay off the weakest parts of the team but it also can happen just for budget reasons. If you are fired and can get the company to agree to publicly message it as a restructuring or layoff that is always a good strategy.
It’s 100% different in the industry.
Getting laid off (not having sufficient scope to support staff) comes with the territory. People don’t look down on that.
Whereas it’s incredibly hard to fire someone, even if they’re terrible. You need to put them on a 90-PIP, have solid documentation, etc. That’s a huge red flag.
To not get fired until the budget is a constraint?
So. I have actually never seen an incompetent person get fired, but I have seen them get laid off. At LB, I think you can only get fired for cussing at a client (and they demand it!)
I was let go after 90 days but got severance . So was I laid off or fired ?
@PM1 it’s a performance improvement plan... gotta lay it all out in writing what they need to do, have check ins, do it all by the book
Getting fired is much different. You are being let go for incompetence, breaking policy or another reason.
Getting let go means your company has not met yearly goals. I’ve seen great people let go during layoffs because their salaries were worth 2-3 people.
If a company lays off more than 5% of their staff you can bet good people were let go.
lol I remember that story @sc1. All very true.
BBDO 1? What’s 90-PIP , 90 day place in plan?
I've gotten laid off due to budget and have known -- and hired! -- many people in similar situations.
Thanks for the insights everyone :)
BBDO2 - I wanna push back on it being the fault of incompetency, though that certainly exacerbates it. The cyclical volatility is also inherent to the contractual nature of the business with fewer and fewer AOR relationships.
I was given a 1 week PIP plan at the end of my 3 months then let go cuz I got severance or was I fired
Droga5 1, I think that's a fair thing to say. AOR's are in flux, long term contracts end, and so on. But these are not surprises usually. These are the known knowns, as Rumsfeld liked to say, and they should be adjusted for way way upstream.
And Sr. Accounts and Management should be super cognizant of faultering relationships, for any reason, well before the AOR ends. Or even more specific, I've heard from finance even before things ended thay they could see the clients where splitting hairs and saw red flags.
There are rarely unknown unknowns, and I can totally forgive for known unknowns, but management should still be aware before it affects a team to the point of mass layoffs.
Move people over to a brand that needs new blood, loose a few ECD's and save a few million a year. Thin the hell out accounts in general, and you will be much more agile so you don't need to layoff so many.