We’re told to ‘do what we love’… but love doesn’t pay rent. Every career coach says, “Find your passion.” But every paycheck reminds me that passion doesn’t cover healthcare, childcare, or a 7% mortgage rate.
Is anyone else tired of pretending fulfillment makes up for being underpaid?
When did work stop being about survival and start being about branding yourself?

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It's all getting a bit silly, isn't it? We are expected to work long hours in stressful environments, pretend we love it, and do it all for a paycheck that doesn't cover our very basic cost of living. I feel like something has to give soon because we are all so tired.

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I thought it was just me going through this. It is truly exhausting.

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What I think is equally as silly is when someone in the company says they are passionate about “insert boring job description here”. For example, “I’m passionate about cross-functional alignment” or “my passion for stakeholder engagement excites me everyday!”
Like, tell me you’re as boring as paint drying without telling me 😂😭

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I came to terms with this a few years ago. I work to be able to fund my passions even if I am uninspired in my 40 hours.

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Society has already started adapting. Pets instead of kids. Hookups instead of marriage. Abusing debt to live better with no intent to repay. Theft is out of control. Convenience stores and supermarkets are regularly cleaned out in poor neighborhoods.

Housing will decline as population drops further (immigrants will be imported but the die-off is going to be massive within the next decade).

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Watch less Fox News bro.

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My passion is to be able to take care of a family. Problem solved.

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Hahaha. I don’t blame you.

Corporate world is a humiliation ritual pushed by everyone with slightest modicum of power. You will add shareholder value while you smile and do the wagie dance to prove how much you love doing soulless, meaningless work.

Also every time I see “personal brand” I want to delete my LinkedIn.

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do not equate the day job with those fulfillments. live your life. do your work

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I kinda accidentally found "my passion"...

When I was 18, I was going to a votech school for electronics, and working as a cashier to pay the rent.

The company (Osco) that I worked for cut our hours to 1 hour a week over the holidays...and that didn't fly. Some of my classmates were trying out "apprenticeship" gigs for electronics work - so I started cold-calling.

I found this company near where I lived (walking distance!) who ended up hiring me as a "computer operator" (they told me they couldn't hire me as a programmer - as we were called then - because I didn't have a degree)...no resume, just an application, no degree, just HS diploma.

That was 30+ years ago, and I'm still a software engineer. Now with a virtually worthless votech associates degree (because the school went under a decade+ ago - and had almost no accreditation).

But I had no idea at the time that software engineering, programming, coding...whatever you want to call it...was really my passion. I just considered it a hobby.

People pay you for a hobby you do at home for free?

Sign me up! And that's what happened.

I'm currently (mostly) unemployed right now (for a couple of years now) and in my early 50s. I'm not rich, but I have no debt, and I own a home, and overall I'm happy with where my life is at (I'd be happier with some steady employment...hopefully that will change at some point).

I was - and am - underpaid. But I'm happy. Just give me enough money to pay my bills, and maybe get a bit of junk off Amazon and keep my family, etc under roof and fed - that's all I want. Today, $50K would cover it, if I could stay at that job until I died (or could no longer contribute in any meaningful way) - I would sign that contract.

Nobody seems to want to offer me that contract (which makes no sense...I'm offering the deal of the century to an employer - $50K, no raises for 20 years, signed contract - and I will do the work required of me - yet, nobody wants that? Do these people understand business deals?)...

I don't value money that much - just what I need to keep a roof over my head, my vehicles repaired, and the occasional bits of fun - whatever form that would take. I don't need or want fancy (heck, my home I bought into a blue-collar neighborhood because I didn't want an HOA, wanted to "live below my means", and if that meant having my truck up on jack stands and welding into the middle of the night with a cold beer nearby - that sounded nice)...

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Because career coaches can't say chase the money. That doesn't sell or inspire.

So they say "Follow your passion".

But the subtext is "as long as it pays well enough to live"

Read the room guys. Passion doesn't pay $4 gas and a 7% mortgage.

Completely. passion is great, but it doesn’t pay the bills. Fulfillment doesn’t replace financial security, no matter how often we’re told it should.

Anyone that tells you to follow your passion is rich themselves. Listen to Scott Galloway podcast he talks at length about this. It’s all nonsense

The people that tell you to follow your passion are likely rich already or at least don’t have to worry about money. It’s all bull. Do what you can become great at that also pays. Listen to Scott Galloway podcast sometime and he tells it like it is. You may not like it but it’s honest.

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