Dumb question. So, owning your primary home makes a lot of sense financially since you have to pay to live somewhere. Might as well build equity as opposed to throwing down the drain paying rent to someone else.

But what’s the best reason to buy investment properties as opposed to just investing in the S&P? Is it leverage (20% downpayment but appreciation on full value), lower risk, or better gains in some areas given shortages? It seems like in general for the country spx outperforms…

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Rental income + principal paydown + appreciation.

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1031 until I die

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Leverage is probably going to be the top answer.

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5-10x leverage on an asset that returns 4% (after repairs) with relatively low volatility handily beats the s&p at 10% CAGR and relatively high volatility. The difference is the effort you have to put into buying and maintaining real estate.

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Not a dumb question at all ....

People, some people, also believe that unless they are actively doing something - hustling - they aren't building wealth. The concept of passively compounding your outlay in the stock market is ...just too easy. They need to be getting their hands dirty.

The physical and mental involvement needed to build up a RE investment portfolio is immense. Not to mention the risk of geography - the neighborhood (city/state) of your rental is subject to some inherent risks that you might not foresee. If you're up for it, more power to you. But also realize that stocks, over time - decades - tend to outperform other asset classes. There are ways to mimic an actual RE portfolio with passive investment as well (REITs, special RE funds available to accredited investors).

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Right. Just wait until you have to replace AC units, a roof or have a major plumbing issue. I replaced 2 21YO AC/gas furnaces last year and it cost $25k for medium level systems.

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Leverage is the big one to buy investment real estate. A mortgage is one of the lowest rate debt vehicles available

Noob here… when you say leverage in this case, do you mean owning the property gives you the option to take out a HELOC?

Makes sense, thanks!

Personally I wouldn't dare step foot back into real estate. If and only if you're renting in an area where the rentees are always going to pay their rent on time and nothing is getting repaired then great, do it. That's a low %% of areas in the USA. I'm talking low cost to no repairs and rent paid every month on time.

For me, investing is 100% better. However, I don't just put money into efts/indexes/bonds and let it sit. I do but that's a secondary account. This isnt trading or managing your portfolio. This is closer to banking your money.

My main account is the one I actively trade with. No I don't day trade. That's an easy way to go broke. But I actively trade month to month. I've been into trading since 2009 and I can say that compared to real estate, it's so much more rewarding TO ME. Yes it took losing close to 35k before i learned the market well enough but im 10-12x on the plus side now. The issue with rental property is unless you can start out in a high end area or high end properties, you'll face multiple repairs, costly repairs, insurance issues, tenant issues, and all other types of, what we like to call, blue noise. We call it blue noise because of the sky. You know how people get caught up with looking at those beautiful blue skies and interesting clouds? Those awesome looking clouds and sky often deter your attention and take your time away from the goal at hand. People can fall asleep watching the sky. When you are a rental property owner, you are the landlord (until you can afford a property manager). You are an accountant until you can afford one. You may be a contractor until you can afford one. Your attention will be cut off from everything else in life. Obviously if you can survive the first 3-5 years then you can blossom. Most people get obliterated in those first few years.

Take this as advice, or whatever you want.

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