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If you’re vaccinated, how will it affect you?
From the NYT The Morning Newsletter on January 18th 2021:
“If there is an example of a vaccine in widespread clinical use that has this selective effect — prevents disease but not infection — I can’t think of one!” Dr. Paul Sax of Harvard has written in The New England Journal of Medicine. (And, no, exclamation points are not common in medical journals.) On Twitter, Dr. Monica Gandhi of the University of California, San Francisco, argued: “Please be assured that YOU ARE SAFE after vaccine from what matters — disease and spreading.”
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https://www.nejm.org/covid-vaccine/faq?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210118&instance_id=26125&nl=the-morning®i_id=61780393&segment_id=49584&te=1&user_id=0da321b595c457c05a5341dd1c9fcb73
https://mobile.twitter.com/MonicaGandhi9/status/1347988651179798530?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210118&instance_id=26125&nl=the-morning®i_id=61780393&segment_id=49584&te=1&user_id=0da321b595c457c05a5341dd1c9fcb73
Yes you are vaccinated. Your odds of getting the virus are low. And even if you did contract it the odds of it being severe are minuscule. It’s hard to get out of the Covid mindset. I’m trying to but it’s strange after living in fear for a year plus!
You sound fun at parties
Right?!
Like what the fuck were these people like before COVID?
Rising Star
You’re probably safe, but your friend is an idiot.
How?
Thank you for the responses! Definitely a lot of misconceptions about what getting a vaccine means, that many of you have cleared up here. Please do research if you dont agree but no where in CDC does it say that vaccinated people should be going to crowded places without masks. I am in close contact with some elders in my family (who are vaccinated), and i dont believe in "having fun" for the sake of health or putting others at risk.
Yes i am in the wedding, no it is not outdoors. There are 4 wedding events! For indoors, yes ill check if the hotel is making it mandatory to wear masks however, I know people that are going dont believe in following rules.
I'm all for her taking the risk and any adult that comes is doing it at their own risk. But maybe its all about me setting a boundary without being defensive. But I know her wedding is more important to her than anything else and she's under a lot of stress. So I want to do it in a way that's not going to add to her stress. Ive talked to her about joining anything outdoors but she's responded similar to how others uneducated on the topic have responded here.
Chief
Plus your friend will always remember you as the one that couldn’t set aside her pride of being right for three hours to come stand by me at my wedding. Bummer 🤷🏼♂️
You got the vaccine to do things like this. There will never be a 100% vaccinated rate, even doing things that will require a vaccination won’t be 100% vaccinated rate. It’s something you either get over and live with the risk or don’t take the risk. It’s their wedding their choice of risk tolerance, and the attendees choice to accept that or not.
I’d go personally, but I’m also over COVID life and was very antisocial the past 14 months and don’t see this as being super risky for you as a vaccinated individual, and I don’t have a concern for the unvaccinated as they made their choice and have that right.
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It's not risky for an UN-vaccinated person either FFS. So many poorly informed/conditioned mindsets. I trust you all realize that the survival rate for those under 80 yrs of age is over 99%, correct? And that overwhelmingly, those without comorbidities, and/or of younger age ranges have mininal/mild flu symptoms the majority of the time, or otherwise NO symptoms? Also, that hospitalization rates with covid is only 1 - 5% for ALL ages? Most that unfortunately died were past their average life expectancy or in long term care. And despite fear-mongering otherwise, asymptomatic spread is NOT even close to a common method of spread. And cloth masks are NOT effective at stopping any viral transmissions. Too many of you have been misled and too few have performed due diligence outside of network news blarings, unfortunately.
Lastly: these shots only claim to lessen symptoms. That's it. Naturallly-acquired immunity is better/longer lasting.
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What’s the point of getting vaccinated if you still don’t feel comfortable at an event? I’m having a wedding this summer and I cannot tell people what to do. 95% of people will be vaccinated. People will wear masks if they want to. I had to get comfortable with this to have my event. CDC regulations say that vaccinated people can travel, hang out together, no masks outdoors etc. I made it very clear to everyone that I understand if they don’t want to come. Don’t fault the people having the event - just make the decision that works for you.
Nope not faulting the people. But I'm just trying to figure out what I can do. Thanks though
I’m not following, YOU are vaccinated… what is the issue?
Most states are fully reopened or will be by middle of June. And that includes 150 person wedding.
What is the point of getting vaccinated if we can’t get back to a normal life? #confused
Stay outdoors, and be diligent about wearing a mask indoors. You're not unreasonable at all for protecting yourself. The couple have either accepted or ignored the real risk that there will be infections at their event, no use in trying to talk them out of it.
CDC guidance says we can safely have indoor gatherings without masks if you are vaccinated. The anti vaxxers can proceed at their own risk. Why bother getting vaccinated to just continue to self isolate?
You’re not overthinking it, especially if you know people who are not vaccinated. I think it depends on the rate in your state, if kids are invited and whether there will be a lot of people traveling in and if it is an outdoor wedding.
We recently had some friends that went to a wedding where people weren’t wearing masks and they had come in from five different countries. When they realized that they voluntarily quarantined from the rest of us for two weeks because they didn’t want to take the risk of getting us sick.
Unfortunately if you travel to certain countries you do you have to quarantine even if you were vaccinated. Trust me I am Canadian and if I go see my family I still need to quarantine even though I am fully vaccinated.
I wouldn’t care, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated. Unvaccinated I wouldn’t attend, and vaccinated I would go have fun. Those that aren’t vaccinated can make their own decision.
And now the CDC is saying full vaccinated people do not need to wear masks or socially distance indoors: https://www.wsj.com/articles/fully-vaccinated-people-can-stop-wearing-face-masks-physical-distancing-in-most-settings-cdc-says-11620928800?st=s1uk3v85tfb9hfy&reflink=article_copyURL_share
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sorry for getting worked up — you’ve been very polite (although frustrating 😝) throughout.
Regarding the “when it’s not” statement you said —- well, obviously you should put a mask on when you you have symptoms. Or when you’re in a hospital.
Hopefully your friend will understand that you won’t attend. If she’s your friend, I’m sure she will.
THAT was my last post on this thread - I’m glad I apologized and we ended civilly.
If you haven’t been vaxxed at this point it is a choice. Why does everyone else have to wear a mask? (Absent the emergence of new variants in the US that are resistant to vaccines).
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Lucky for us, Israel and Japan ( or Korea?) have both cited real world data recently - that also suggests 95%.
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You’re definitely overthinking. If most people are vaccinated this is as safe as it will ever get unless you want to wear a mask and social distance forever. In my state (Utah) they’re not even making state employees wear masks after end of May.
Interesting!! I didn't know that
Funny reading some of these comments. If you are young, vaccinated, and still freaking about covid, just realize that your risk calculus is just so, so, so off. I’ve been somewhat cautious during covid, more so for signaling rather than a legitimate belief that all the precautions were effective or worthwhile. But, now we are clearly in the end game and I’m making a point to walk outside with my mask in my pocket. We need people to start normalizing “back to normal” behavior, or else we’ll have people like OP trying to keep lockdowns in place through their own unmanaged paranoia rather than any informed grasp of science or good, practical public policy.
^a1, of course, but I’m not sure whose job it is to cater to each and everyone’s preferred “get back to normal” timeline. Not comfortable yet going to the event? Don’t go. You need more time. Others who don’t need more time can go. The beauty about being vaccinated at this point is... it largely doesn’t matter what other people do.
I went to two weddings during COVID. Both weren’t picky with masks; though one gave everyone masks and one didn’t. The one that gave everyone masks was probably 150-200 people and no one got COVID (that they were aware of). The one that didn’t give out masks was probably 40 people and probably like 10-15 people got COVID. I feel like the vaccine is similar to a mask, so some people being vaccinated probably reduces the odds greatly.
It also may be worth considering how the group of people of the wedding you’re going to are...the one where no one got COVID was primarily well off people who lived in cities who knew COVID was real and the one where many people got COVID was in a small town where people had little regard for it.
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The vaccine is much more effective than a mask (which is also important for the unvaccinated who don’t have antibodies).
Fauci agreed masks are for optics more than safety. If your elders are vaxxed and so are you, what’s the issue? We all went out during flu season and spread it even though vaccine wasn’t as pushed as it was last couple years. Now all of a sudden a piece of cloth is supposed to protect elders who are already vaxxed? 233 out of 120m vaccines have gotten covid post vaccine. The percent is so low. If you’re this scared of covid even vaxxed, maybe stop driving since rate of car accident is higher
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233 deaths. 9200 cases
Why are those at high risk of the virus not vaccinated? Understand there may be exceptions but really?
An example: My mom (68) was supposed to get vaccinated last week, but she got seriously ill between getting the appointment and the actual appointment and is now in hospital being diagnosed (likely cancer, but not confirmed yet). Doctor’s advice is for her not get vaccinated until she is at least a bit better. But of course she is also too sick to attend a wedding.
(Btw this is in Germany where the vary campaign is bee we behind the US)
Wow 150 guests. I get your concern. Is it outdoors? (I hope). This is what a lot of people are going to do so you have to be calm. At this stage it’s your good friend. You can’t judge and all you can do is protect yourself. You can wear your mask. Don’t let anyone give you a hard time. Take your hand sanitizer and wash your hands before touching your face. Don’t hug or kiss anyone. Stay away from those not wearing masks. You can do this without being an evangelist. Just be cool. Before everyone chimes in and says you are vaccinated so don’t worry, I know several people who got COVID after their full series and immunity. They all confessed to going to group events. They had a milder case but still were quite sick. Who needs that?. Vaccines are not 100 percent and all you can do is protect yourself and not be a spreader yourself. Go and enjoy.
Nope! Its indoors! :(
How do you deal with a Karen like yourself